Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

[Tomalak]

That was a breakup? I really didn't get that out of "I'll be back, in a few days. Maybe even less." (Even with her replying "Maybe even more.")

Picard was still fooling himself that it was just a short favour to help an old friend.

But the point was that she knew he wouldn't be joining her in a few days. She knew what Beverly really meant, and that was before she knew of the son.

Perhaps he still will join her. There was some ambiguity about his relationship with Beverly at the end of the episode. It didn't feel romantic too me, more like divorced parents who managed to make the transition to platonic friends.

 

[fireproof78]

Matalas could have used any of the other changelings or mimics from decades of Star Trek. Using the Dominion Changelings was clearly a choice to use the capital that DS9 earned.

Clearly...so clear that I don't agree. It's not a capital choice, but a follow up on natural consequences.

One might even call that world building, if I may use that term so early in the morning.

Indeed, the Borg didn't need any changelings. They possessed the technology to create sleeper agents on their own.

But they are limited now.

 

[James Cole]

A shit-ton.

And it bothers me that the scale of it is just handwaved away once the crisis is over.

Shelby is dead. We saw her surrounded by assimilated Enterprise-F crewmembers shooting her with phasers at point-blank range. There is no reasonable possibility she survived.

She could have been replaced by a Changeling... would explain her odd behavior. Maybe I'm just extra sensitive about it because I'm a book Star Trek: New Frontier fan.

At the very least it should prove that I'm holding season 3 to the same standards as season 1

I see no reason to think that.

See the Q from "Penance"... at the very least, Q is inconsistent in season 2.

It wasn't retconned, please listen to what Q says to Jack after he mentions it.

Q did die, but the Q exist out of normal time, this is just Q before he died.

Ok, effectively retconned then. Because even the infinite multiverse must have some kind of finite time.

Meanwhile, it's interesting to look back on the trailers and realize how many clips came from 309 and 310...

 

[Quantum21]

We didn't know about the death count at Wolf 359 until Drumhead. We didn't even know how many starships were lost until later on.

Because we didn't know exactly how many ships and people were killed in BOBW at the end of the episode, did that make it lazy and stupid writing?

I'm far less concerned with the actual casualty count than that they glossed it over. I wonder if Matalas realized what 50% of a single ship killing the other 50% even means, multiplied by 380. There are lots of casual problems like this this season.

 

[Cap'n Calhoun]

There was some ambiguity about his relationship with Beverly at the end of the episode. It didn't feel romantic too me, more like divorced parents who managed to make the transition to platonic friends.

That was how I took it. I'll be pretty disappointed if Matalas comes out later and says "Yeah, Jean-Luc and Laris split up and he and Beverly are together now."

I can see how Jack's picture of them might throw people off if they didn't notice that they were decades younger in that picture.

 

[Cortez]

I don't really have anything to offer in response, but I don't want you thinking I'm ignoring you. Fair enough, it's not the greatest writing in the world by any stretch. I'm just saying the actual answers, such as they are, are in the episode.

No problem. Appreciate the response.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

I feel like I'm missing something. What's the Disco connection?

Yeah I didn't get that one either. Except if there is any tiny opportunity to fling monkey poo at Disco somebody here will find a way.

 

[Vyse]

As a Niner, I'm quite content that they didn't bring back the native DS9 characters in a way that affected their stories or DS9 itself. Even the changelings are barely recognizable such that they can be safely ignored.

I'm pretty OK with this particular creative team keeping their mitts off the DS9 crew, tbh. Improving on Nemesis is one thing. I'm not so confident they could add any coda to DS9 that would be worth the time. I'm cool waiting until someone else who cares about those characters, like the LDS crew, has something to say about them. And if not, well, they got a good send off.

That's true. At least DS9 wrapped everything up well.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Trust Worf to have a concealed phaser hidden in the hilt of his sword. Yup. Bashir taught him well.

 

[HotRod]

Is it ever stated on screen what the actual official size of the Enterpriseclassic is before Disco?

 

[Quantum21]

The Changling story arc is finished. There was no ambiguity at the end of it. It's done.

Your refusal to accept that does not change what you cannot control. You are not the showrunner for Star Trek, you are not a producer, director or writer.

If CBS says the Changlings are defeated and the story arc is closed, then the Changlings are defeated and the story arc is closed.

It doesn't change logic. It's still bad writing if they declare it so on their own work.

 

[Tomalak]

That was how I took it. I'll be pretty disappointed if Matalas comes out later and says "Yeah, Jean-Luc and Laris split up and he and Beverly are together now."

I can see how Jack's picture of them might throw people off if they didn't notice that they were decades younger in that picture.

Yes, I think it was taken from one of the movie premiers! Nice touch, if a bit fourth-wall breaking.

I think there's the always the possibility of Picard and Laris reconnecting, but I felt the context of that scene at the start was that she knew he wasn't quite ready for retirement. But that she would always be there when he was.

 

[Quantum21]

That was a breakup? I really didn't get that out of "I'll be back, in a few days. Maybe even less." (Even with her replying "Maybe even more.")

It was NOT a breakup.

 

[Cortez]

What you think is lazy writing or poor writing isn't really relevant. You're approaching everything about this from a predisposition to think everything is lazy, stupid and otherwise contrived. You've shown that you either do not watch episodes and rely on reviews or summaries to make discussion points. When you are shown to have missed obvious details, you deflect and move goalposts.

The Changling infiltration was covered in this episode, why the Borg went after Vadic and her crew, what the motives were and how they removed the Changlings aftewards.

First paragraph is complete conjecture as well as basically slagging the poster, as per usual.

As for the second paragraph... no, it wasn't covered half well enough at all. A log entry doesn't make it all fine, as I've stated already to the member that I was actually conversing with.

 

[Racefuel]

I'm far less concerned with the actual casualty count than that they glossed it over. I wonder if Matalas realized what 50% of a single ship killing the other 50% even means, multiplied by 380. There are lots of casual problems like this this season.

They didn't address casualty figures in BOBW or in most dominion battles either.

Is that lazy writing also?

 

[Jaimito]

What a send off! Much grander than All Good Things.

The Star Wars Death Star plot isn't very orginal, but I can look past it, along with Enterprise flying above an interior that somehow is sustainable for organic life (force field?).

Seven as a captain... A spine off show for the Entrerprise G?

Q dying never made sense. They are omnipotent and exists in non linear time. Was a nice surprise.

A single space dock to protect the entire earth? Just as funny as a couple of missiles act as the Saturn defense vs Borg back in TNG. But TNG didn't have the budget as this. At least it's consistent.

Seeing Entrerprise D orbiting Jupiter was really cool. Sci fi meets reality.

Walter Koenig's cameo was nice, albeit just his voice as Chekov's son.

Was hoping for Janeway, but Tim Ross got to do another scene. Guess Shelby was really blasted.

Too bad I couldn't get the Imax tickets. Would have been fun watching with fellow Trekies.

 

[firehawk12]

The Vadic said in her backstory that she could pass her changes onto others that didn't have them.

Worf said Odo told him about the group, which means either the Great Link still has spies in the Alpha/Beta Quadrants, or they went back to the great link at some point, got some more followers that agreed with them.

I guess this is the only reasonable explanation, which makes me wonder why a new war didn't break out. But scale was a big problem with this version of the show so who knows.

 

[hellojane]

Outside of O'Brien, I feel like the best place they could have used someone from DS9 was earlier in the season when the changelings were the focus. I wouldn't have minded Kira or Bashir there. I wasn't expecting it though so I wasn't bummed it didn't happen. If they ever revisit that, I'd rather it be in their own story or on Lower Decks again then just a drive by appearance to deliver exposition to the TNG cast.

 

[Commander Richard]

I was half expecting it to be the USS Picard.

I was expecting that too.

 

[firehawk12]

They didn't address casualty figures in BOBW or in most dominion battles either.

Is that lazy writing also?

To be fair, they basically glossed over the equivalent of "Family" where they discussed any of the consequences of what happened. I mean it's not like they weren't going to give everyone a happy ending, but presumably they remember killing their fellow crew as much as Picard remember killing Sisko's wife and everyone else at Wolf 359.