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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

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I am sure it has been said,but I am not scrolling through 127 pages. Jurati's Borg came from the alternative past and weren't part of the collective. Shaw said something like that in one of the earlier episodes too.
 
Sketcher said:
Alternatively, considering it didn't take long for the set designers to convert the bridge from how it looked in All Good Things to how it looked in Generations, you could assume the same for Starfleet engineers in-universe.
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My own headcannon is that Geordi retrieved the season 7 Enterprise bridge that was removed when it was refitted with the Generations bridge. That's the reason he didn't recreate the Generations bridge, because it was more historically accurate for the museum to use a genuine bridge that was actually used by the Enterprise.
 
Citiprime said:
My own headcannon is that Geordi retrieved the season 7 Enterprise bridge that was removed when it was refitted with the Generations bridge. That's the reason he didn't recreate the Generations bridge, because it was more historically accurate for the museum to use a genuine bridge that was actually used by the Enterprise.
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totally works for me.
 
So for most of this season, the major thought on my mind is how hard this season wants to be a DS9 sequel. Changelings, Section 31, the darker tone. If they could have gotten Brooks back and explained Sisko's return, it could have been Kasidy Yates and their child on the run in her freighter instead of Crusher and Crusher. The Borg stuff could have been replaced by Pah Wraith shenanigans pretty much one to one. Raffi's secret contact could have been Bashir (or still Worf I guess), secrety trying to reform S31 from within. Vadic's mad-on against a Starfleet family would have made more sense if it was against the man she believes is the reason the Dominion lost the war. I legitimately think O'Brien would have been a better narrative choice to man the Fleet Museum than Geordi, don't @ me.

Anyway every criticism I have flew out the window the instant I saw the D again. 10/10. I don't even care whether or not the floating skull head is coming back in episode ten now.
 
Elias Vaughn said:
So for most of this season, the major thought on my mind is how hard this season wants to be a DS9 sequel. Changelings, Section 31, the darker tone. If they could have gotten Brooks back and explained Sisko's return, it could have been Kasidy Yates and their child on the run in her freighter instead of Crusher and Crusher. The Borg stuff could have been replaced by Pah Wraith shenanigans pretty much one to one. Raffi's secret contact could have been Bashir (or still Worf I guess), secrety trying to reform S31 from within. Vadic's mad-on against a Starfleet family would have made more sense if it was against the man she believes is the reason the Dominion lost the war. I legitimately think O'Brien would have been a better narrative choice to man the Fleet Museum than Geordi, don't @ me.

Anyway every criticism I have flew out the window the instant I saw the D again. 10/10. I don't even care whether or not the floating skull head is coming back in episode ten now.
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Avery Brooks isn't coming back. He gave us a good Sisko, but I get the impression he never even wanted the job to begin with. I read somewhere he basically gave a flat, monotone audition for the Emissary hoping to fail it, then ironically got the part because Sisko *was* supposed to be flat and monotone because he's still bitter about Wolf 359. And once the part was offered to him, Brooks wasn't going to say no to the job stability and money a Trek lead role had to offer. But I heard he still had his costars call him "Mr. Brooks", he never got close to them the way the TNG cast ended up being buddies, and while sci-fi also isn't Patrick's thing, he's basically a workaholic and welcomes the opportunity to work with his TNG friends again.

Sometimes I wonder if in the long run it would be better if Sisko were played by another actor like Phil Morris or someone.
 
thribs said:
You’re right. Vadic said they could retain their form indefinitely. Maybe going to a liquid state helps with the pain. She also said they were in constant pain.
Someone tweet Matalas. He’ll know
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The John Connor changeling had held his form too long and needed to regenerate.
 
My real concerns going into Ep 10 are that the moment they assimilated Alandra, they have all knowledge about the E-D being ready and all its weaknesses if they didn’t already knew from all the infiltrated changelings. Sort of like the opposite of BOBW part I, where Picard knew about the deflector dish and the Borg prepared for it once he was assimilated. Also, starships are never really truly independent, are they? Maybe Voyager was, perhaps? I thought the ships still interface with “Federation Databanks” for a variety of data like the HMS Bounty did in IV. So couldn’t Starfleet/Borg “update” the E-D software and connect the ship from the backend?
 
thribs said:
You’re right. Vadic said they could retain their form indefinitely. Maybe going to a liquid state helps with the pain. She also said they were in constant pain.
Someone tweet Matalas. He’ll know
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So these changelings willingly take on permanent pain, shortened life, possibly no peace of mind (Vadic's dialogue implies they're driven mad by some voices, so presumably joining her group gets you linked to the Borg with no way to block it out or something), all just to assimilate the Fed and no guarantee this will make things better for the Dominion and high probability that it will make things worse because the Borgified Fed will obviously go after the Dominion next.

And I thought DS9's female changeling was petty for ordering a fight to the end even after it was clear the Dominion would lose.
 
Racefuel said:
You’re using Bashirs surprise at detecting organs as an attempt to prove your point when it requires exposition that wasn’t provided in the episode
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Tricorders can detect internal organs. Keep that in mind.

Racefuel said:
You’re making up something that isn’t specified in the shows prior.
it was never stated in any episode prior that the Changlings could imitate human or other species physical properties and biology.
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Tuskin38 said:
Nothing in DS9 said the changelings created organs.
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Racefuel said:
He’s basing it off of a line of speculation and taking it as established fact and then using a point of established fact to speculate lol.
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Racefuel said:
DS9, at no point, said conclusively that the Changlings were perfectly mimicking the people they were impersonating down to organ arrangement.
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1) Bashir said that Krajensky registered as human

2) Basic Logic

A) A Tricorder can detect internal human organs and determine their status. There are countless examples of that in multiple shows.
B) If Changelings had no internal organs, a Tricorder (that can detect internal organs) would show that.
C) This would nullify the threat of Changeling infiltration in the entire story. It would make it irrelevant to separate a part of the body from the Changeling because you could easily detect them by scanning them.

3) The Great Link forced Odo into a human form with internal organs. Therefore Changelings have to ability to create internal organs.



Tuskin38 said:
They could have just been giving off false biological signals that read as organs.
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Nothing in DS9 said the changelings have just been giving off false biological signals that read as organs.

Ironic. I'm getting accused of making up facts.
But this is a perfect example of made-up facts, personal headcanon/fanfic.
 
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Yistaan said:
Avery Brooks isn't coming back. He gave us a good Sisko, but I get the impression he never even wanted the job to begin with. I read somewhere he basically gave a flat, monotone audition for the Emissary hoping to fail it, then ironically got the part because Sisko *was* supposed to be flat and monotone because he's still bitter about Wolf 359. And once the part was offered to him, Brooks wasn't going to say no to the job stability and money a Trek lead role had to offer. But I heard he still had his costars call him "Mr. Brooks", he never got close to them the way the TNG cast ended up being buddies, and while sci-fi also isn't Patrick's thing, he's basically a workaholic and welcomes the opportunity to work with his TNG friends again.

Sometimes I wonder if in the long run it would be better if Sisko were played by another actor like Phil Morris or someone.
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The TNG cast goes beyond buddies. They’re legit a second family
 
Yistaan said:
But I heard he still had his costars call him "Mr. Brooks",
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This kind of thing is so pretentious. It’s not like he’s Laurence Olivier or anything. And even if he was it’s very alienating to people you’re collaborating with to behave this way. I hope it’s just a rumor because the rest of the cast deserved better than to be treated that way.
 
Yistaan said:
So these changelings willingly take on permanent pain, shortened life, possibly no peace of mind (Vadic's dialogue implies they're driven mad by some voices, so presumably joining her group gets you linked to the Borg with no way to block it out or something), all just to assimilate the Fed and no guarantee this will make things better for the Dominion and high probability that it will make things worse because the Borgified Fed will obviously go after the Dominion next.

And I thought DS9's female changeling was petty for ordering a fight to the end even after it was clear the Dominion would lose.
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You've just described the mentality of some terrorists/suicide bombers. People, largely motivated by a suffering inflicted on them that they feel justifies their actions, willing to destroy their lives to cause damage to their enemies with largely no strategic plan on how it will lead to a "victory."
 
jaime said:
They couldn’t though. Mandatory haircuts would have found every changeling otherwise.
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Oh, man. Haircuts would have been SUCH an easier changeling detection tool than blood screenings. Same effect, just avoids those pesky syringes. Just snip, snip and you're done.

But I'm sure changelings would have found a way to beat that, just as they beat the blood screenings using (in all likelihood), the Joseph Sisko method.

Would have been cool if Bashir, while captured in the Dominion, was completely bald. The changeling impersonator stole his hair to beat the haircut screening!
 
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Yistaan said:
And I thought DS9's female changeling was petty for ordering a fight to the end even after it was clear the Dominion would lose.
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She was terminally ill with no prospects of recovering...that produces vicious enough tendencies in humans, let alone anyone else
 
Crewman6 said:
Oh, man. Haircuts would have been SUCH an easier changeling detection tool than blood screenings. Same thing, avoids those pesky syringes. Just snip, snip and you're done.

But I'm sure changelings would have found a way to beat that, just as they beat the blood screenings using (in all likelihood), the Joseph Sisko method.

Would have been cool if Bashir, while captured in the Dominion, was completely bald. The changeling impersonator stole his hair to beat the haircut screening!
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Mot would have come into his own. Alas, he would also have been too easy to replace.
 
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