Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

[cooleddie74]

UESPA existed from at least 2067 until at minimum 2267. 200 years. It would appear the United Earth Starfleet was an offshoot of UESPA circa 2132 and UESPA remained the Earth-based operating authority for Starfleet until at least 2267 or the first season of TOS. After "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" the agency is never again mentioned as existing in the chronology.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The Starfleet of the Federation is a continuation of the Starfleet of United Earth.
Starfleet ships in the TOS era, including Kirk's Enterprise during its five-year mission, still worked for the United Earth Space Probe Agency.

Memory Alpha???
Yeah, no.

 

[Yistaan]

UESPA existed from at least 2067 until at minimum 2267. 200 years. It would appear the United Earth Starfleet was an offshoot of UESPA circa 2132 and UESPA remained the Earth-based operating authority for Starfleet until at least 2267 or the first season of TOS. After "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" the agency is never again mentioned as existing in the chronology.

It's pretty clear in Season 1 in TOS that the Enterprise, Spock aside, was an Earth based vessel based on an Earth centric group. They suddenly threw the Federation in towards the end of Season 1 I believe.

 

[Noname Given]

UESPA existed from at least 2067 until at minimum 2267. 200 years. It would appear the United Earth Starfleet was an offshoot of UESPA circa 2132 and UESPA remained the Earth-based operating authority for Starfleet until at least 2267 or the first season of TOS. After "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" the agency is never again mentioned as existing in the chronology.

And even though Earth had been FULLY Unified (and not other states of Governments existed on Earth) since the early 22nd century; UESPA was probably still operating out of the American Continent Institute in the 23rd century circa 2237 (See the original TOS Pilot episode The Cage.)

 

[Sisko_is_my_captain]

I am wondering, they warp to Earth, but they don't have a plan yet. Hope the trip to Earth is long enough to figure out how to defeat the Borg.

It was apparently not long enough for anyone to tell Picard why they were going to the museum. My jaw dropped when they arrived (presumably after quite some time) and JLP goes, "Why are we here?" IDK, maybe they told him already and the senile old guy forgot, but everyone was too nice to say anything.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's pretty clear in Season 1 in TOS that the Enterprise, Spock aside, was an Earth based vessel based on an Earth centric group. They suddenly threw the Federation in towards the end of Season 1 I believe.

Eddie is going for an “in universe “ line of thinking.

 

[MarsWeeps]

Remember, Klingons have 2... .. .. they have 2..

No conclusive evidence.

 

[cooleddie74]

It's pretty clear in Season 1 in TOS that the Enterprise, Spock aside, was an Earth based vessel based on an Earth centric group. They suddenly threw the Federation in towards the end of Season 1 I believe.

True, but at least the retcon kind of works. Subsidiary agency and all.

Heaven knows bureaucracies don't go anywhere by the 23rd century!

 

[cooleddie74]

So many Enterprises shown in one season of a Trek series. And we're already on F and she's about to be decommissioned.

At this rate the G, H or I need to last about 50 years or they need to hold off on launching a new Enterprise for a couple of generations.

 

[jaime]

I know Jadzia is like a decades long memory, but them playing the Worf/Deanna thing as reference to their weird Season 7 relationship was very strange to me.

I don’t think he was. He came over more to me as someone wanting to talk yoga, exactly like when he met Raffi. Likely because if any of his friends were going to discuss camomile tea it would be her.

 

[Domjot]

Season 1 and 2 boils down to Patrick Stewart not wanting to do a TNG reunion show.
Season 1 had a showrunner in Chabon, who seemed to not know much about TNG / Trek.
Season 2 had Goldsman, who did his homework but got overwhelmed, which is why Matalas was brought in to help him. Matalas was given Season 3.

But everything about 1 and 2 boils down to Patrick Stewart not relenting to do "TNG Season 8", as Matalas and Blass have called this season, until the last moment. Everything else boils down to that. He wasn't going to come back and put on the uniform. Heck, 3 seasons, he's worn the modern uniform exactly once, in Season 2. In Season 1 it was only for flashbacks. Besides that, it's been civilian wear that's echo'd the uniform without being the uniform. Stewart spent much of the 2000s post-Nemesis and half of the 2010s having complicated feelings regarding Trek and the Picard character, which he figured he was done with. It took the failure of Blunt Talk and I think looking at the clock with his own health, to come back and do Picard, and even then, it was only going to be in a form like Season 1.

Frankly, I'll watch Season 3 time and time again. And maybe Season 2 some time. But I can't imagine watching all of Season 1 again. Maybe snippets.

I’m a huge PS fan and never even heard of Blunt Talk

 

[jaime]

The mission of the NX-01 Enterprise did not lead to the birth of Starfleet.

Starfleet already existed for 20 years when the NX-01 Enterprise launched.
The NX-01 Enterprise was a Starfleet ship.

The mission of the NX-01 Enterprise lead to the birth of the Federation.

The Star Trek Picard season 3 writers continue the proud tradition of NuTrek writers not knowing the difference between "Starfleet" and the "Federation".

"Federation Headquarters" LOL.

‘What we know today” is the key part. She’s saying the NX01 led to the federation Starfleet, which is true enough. What we know today (in the UK) as ‘the Army’ had its roots in Cromwell and his New Model, even if Harold had raised an army, it wasn’t the army. It’s just linguistic speechifying.

 

[jaime]

It was apparently not long enough for anyone to tell Picard why they were going to the museum. My jaw dropped when they arrived (presumably after quite some time) and JLP goes, "Why are we here?" IDK, maybe they told him already and the senile old guy forgot, but everyone was too nice to say anything.

He had a nap. That scene was very futurama.

 

[Guy Gardener]

OR the United Earth Space Probe Agency was folded under/into the NEW Federation Starfleet.

RIKER: No, I haven't made it to Engineering yet. Have you spent any time on the NX-01?
TROI: I've never run the programme.
RIKER: What about the ship itself?
TROI: I think I went when I was a little girl, but I get all those museum ships mixed up.
RIKER: Now's your chance. Come on down with me.

 

[jaime]

So many Enterprises shown in one season of a Trek series. And we're already on F and she's about to be decommissioned.

At this rate the G, H or I need to last about 50 years or they need to hold off on launching a new Enterprise for a couple of generations.

We’re resetting to D at the end of the season xD

 

[Citiprime]

It's pretty clear in Season 1 in TOS that the Enterprise, Spock aside, was an Earth based vessel based on an Earth centric group. They suddenly threw the Federation in towards the end of Season 1 I believe.

Neither the United Federation of Planets or Starfleet were invented for the show until I think like 19 episodes into season 1.

They were NOT created by Roddenberry either. Both terms come from executive producer Gene Coon who’s responsible for many of Trek’s most memorable elements.

 

[jaime]

Earth's fleet was mothballed because Warp 5 engines are dumb.

I think the mothball fleet was the fleet that guarded Earth.

Shitty engines, but great weapons.

Of course by the Motion Picture, Enterprise was the only ship in the fleet that could intercept with V'Ger before it got to Earth.

Where was the mothball fleet?

The moths ate it. Space moths. And that’s exactly what is written on the forms submitted to the government say by that nice chap who ran a scrapyard say, though I hear he was very upset a few months later when everyone really did stop using money.

 

[Borgminister]

Assimilation by transporter? Paging Barkley... Now that was a nice twist on the well-worn Borg threat, finding a way in through the (red) back door... All tied together so nicely via Locutus (newsflash: edible consuming Sir Patrick can still act!) and genetic, generation-skipping transmission to the under 30 crowd. Nice cameo by Shelby, although the actress was kind of unrecognizable, only to meet her demise. The quips continued being assimilated quite nicely and unobtrusively as well--so many wrinkles, the robot's right, hope we die quickly, love that carpet and hello chair--and yes, some might argue the nostalgia factor was excessive on the D, but I wouldn't be one of them. And to have Majel's voice as the computer one last time... bravo. The production values were just magnificent, even more noticeably this episode in my opinion, to include the outstanding musical cues, especially when bringing on the Queen. Wish they would've showed her face, but the voice was dead on perfect, as was Jack's Shatneresque hammy acting. Can't wait for the wrap-up, and maybe a Legacy series isn't so far-fetched, given Picard's entry into the top 10 streaming shows... Section 31's loss, but I'll take what I can get!

 

[fireproof78]

At this rate the G, H or I need to last about 50 years or they need to hold off on launching a new Enterprise for a couple of generations.

Or just stop altogether. Retire the jersey as it were.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The birth of the Federation Starfleet. The Federation's Starfleet doesn't count the ships of Earth's Starfleet as being theirs.

That's the reason the Enterpirse D's dedication plaque claims her as the "fifth starship to bear the name." The Federation Starfleet doesn't count the NX-01 Enterprise as being one of theirs.

Exactly.

Despite having similar names, the Earth Starfleet is not the same organization as the Federation Starfleet.