Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

[Scionz]

I can see one of two possible endings:
1. Starfleet messages the Enterprise D to return to the Fleet Museum, and Picard says: "To h*ll with Starfleet, we're not done yet." ...........And the Adventure Continues..........
2. With the Enterprise J due for early decommissioning, and Starfleet needs a new flagship, they bring the fully functional D back into service with her classic Command Crew. ...........And the Adventure Continues..........

I'm thinking it's going to be #2 with a twist. The Enterprise F (I know J was a typo) will be the "final boss" and get blown to hell through a Data-Laforge technobabble solution. Shelby is dead anyway. The Enterprise D will emerge victorious, but get banged up.

Show ends with Captain Riker assuming command of the new Enterprise of the fleet, the upgraded Enterprise-D in Galaxy-X configuration (Matalas teased "-X" in a tweet a week ago), canonizing in the Prime timeline one of the last untouched threads of All Good Things (Riker with the unmothballed upgraded 1701D as his flagship).

This show isn't very subtle and the fact the Enterprise F was already coming out of service is a massive, massive tell.

 

[Tuskin38]

(Matalas teased "-X" in a tweet a week ago),

That could mean anything.
He could have also been joking.

 

[Greg Cox]

The internet holds fanfic back sometimes — I regret never writing more than the smallest bit (and not even Trek!) because for the longest time it was sometimes looked down on. (as indeed is genre in general) .

I was lucky. My college creative-writing teacher wrote paperback detective novels on the side. He wasn't a sci-fi guy, particularly, but he never looked down on genre fiction. Even taught a course in "Writing Commercial Fiction."

And, honestly, I was pretty much born to write fanfic for a living. My first fully professional sales were a Peter Pan/The Tempest mashup I sold to AMAZING STORIES back in the early eighties, followed by a Jack the Ripper/Sweeney Todd crossover I sold to MIKE SHAYNE MYSTERY MAGAZINE.

Like I said, building on preexisting material is not remotely a new thing.

 

[Yistaan]

And, honestly, I was pretty much born to write fanfic for a living. My first fully professional sales were a Peter Pan/The Tempest mashup I sold to AMAZING STORIES back in the early eighties, followed by a Jack the Ripper/Sweeney Todd crossover I sold to MIKE SHAYNE MYSTERY MAGAZINE.

Like I said, building on preexisting material is not remotely a new thing.

Do you write any comic books? That industry is pretty much entirely built on pre-existing material.

 

[fireproof78]

Maybe watch Everything Everywhere all at once to see a different perspective.

Que?

 

[Greg Cox]

Preach!!!
I was at my mother’s house this past weekend. My brother was there too and had found some of my old drawings and writing from Jr, High (and before). Had a laugh looking through them

Sadly, I no longer possess a copy of my sixth-grade magnum opus: "Frankenstein Meets the Golem."

 

[SimiOne]

Now that Frontier Day has been "cancelled" we probably won't get a nice close-up of the NX-01 like the other ships ( Enterprise-A, Defiant, Voyager ...) .
The neglectful treatment of "Enterprise" continues ?

 

[Scionz]

From Collider. Super spoilery.

Spoiler

https://collider.com/star-trek-picard-season-3-borg-alice-krige-terry-matalas-comments/
Sounds like the Borg Queen in Episode 9 is the same one from Endgame, and she's super messed up but we will see her face (or a CGI queen)
The nebula is a transwarp conduit (hinted at in Episode 9 via the computers sensor comments) and they were responsible for the conduit in Season 2 too as a diversion.
She has a particular plan.

I wonder if this is going to be Matalas' riff on the Azure Nebula from Star Trek Destiny, and the Borg flooding the alpha quadrant with their Delta Quadrant fleet. With 1 hour left, it probably won't get that far, but I wonder if that's part of her plan.

 

[Sci]

Hell, next episode lets' have Sela and some TNG-era Warbirds come and save Earth guns blazing when that nebula ends up being a Transwarp Hub, even though Sela doing that would make no sense.

I'm not sure about Sela per se, but having the Romulans show up to help defend Earth in the series finale would be thematically appropriate for Star Trek: Picard. It would be a good callback/contrast to Season One -- where the Federation once turned its back on the Romulan people, the Romulan people refuse to turn their backs on the Federation. It would really lay the groundwork for an eventual Federation/Romulan alliance, and for the eventual reunification of the Vulcan and Romulan peoples as established in Star Trek: Discovery.

As I understand it, Harlan was willing to let others use the Guardian - if he was properly paid for it. Which was his right.

I mean, it's not like he was 100% dead-set against anyone else ever using the Guardian. He wanted compensation for the character he created. Again: His right.

And I'm sure his estate still needs to approve any future use of the Guardian. DSC got away with it, so they must have been able to negotiate. I don't know if this would have been possible with Harlan himself - guess we'll never know (perhaps his estate didn't ask for as much as he would have).

To be clear, it's more likely that his estate is owed a royalty check when the Guardian is used than that they have ownership rights or permissions rights per se. More than likely, they don't get to tell Paramount not to use the Guardian, but they're owed a paycheck each time the Guardian is used.

 

[Tuskin38]

The neglectful treatment of "Enterprise" continues ?

It hasn't been neglected at all. Did you miss the NX-01 at the museum and Shelby's speech?

 

[Greg Cox]

Do you write any comic books? That industry is pretty much entirely built on pre-existing material.

No actual comics, but I've written numerous prose novels for both Marvel and DC, featuring Batman, Superman, The Avengers, Spider-Man, The X-Men, Daredevil, Ghost Rider, etc.

And relevant to this discussion, I was once paid to write a fight between Wonder Woman and the Frankenstein Monster. My inner twelve-year-old was thrilled!

 

[Scionz]

Now that Frontier Day has been "cancelled" we probably won't get a nice close-up of the NX-01 like the other ships ( Enterprise-A, Defiant, Voyager ...) .
The neglectful treatment of "Enterprise" continues ?

Man, c'mon. What the hell is this?

Matalas loves the NX-01 enough to have Shelby both high ight it. He loves it enough to have had the NX-01 refit happen after 15 of fans hungering for it. He worked on Enterprise and is immensely proud of that show.

Heck Strange New Worlds directly seized on Enterprise plot points.
Star Trek Beyond, for all its faults was pretty cool in following up the NX-01 / Romulan War era and was very respectful to the source content. It even had shuttle pods. I'd go so far to say that the ENT era tie-ins are by far the best part of the movie.

Enterprise is far from disrespected. It arguably gets more respect than most of DS9 and most of Voyager.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

To be clear, it's more likely that his estate is owed a royalty check when the Guardian is used than that they have ownership rights or permissions rights per se. More than likely, they don't get to tell Paramount not to use the Guardian, but they're owed a paycheck each time the Guardian is used.

If Harlan had been alive when the Guardian appeared on DSC...I wonder if he'd have played the avatar himself?

 

[Sci]

If Harlan had been alive when the Guardian appeared on DSC...I wonder if he'd have played the avatar himself?

I doubt he would have gone for it, but I gotta say that would have been a hoot!

 

[Orac Zen]

So I left off at page 79, and logged back on to see the thread was at page 95. Some thoughts:

weren’t the Borg mentioned in season 4 if discovery? They surely still existed in some form in “the far future” on Lower Decks.

Given I stopped watching Discovery early in season 3 and have never seen Lower Decks, I was unaware of these things. I'd still be quite okay with never seeing the Borg as the Big Bad ever again.

From most perspectives, both are wrong, and Seven does not have the character for it to work — she was close to the Doctor/EMH after all.

Agreed. It just doesn't work for me that Seven would / should say such a thing.

And frankly, he and Laris were a terrible idea. They were friends in season 1. She owed him so much, respected him so much. That they offed Zhaban (killing potential story possibilities and an interesting non-sexual relationship there), then coupled Latis with Picard because why not he’s the captain and she’s a woman in the vicinity…I did not like that much at all.

I didn't like it, either. Talk about contrived and unearned. Each to their own but I really don't get when / how / why Picard / Laris somehow became the gold standard for Trek relationships, why Laris - who for all we know killed Zhaban (a character I found more interesting than her anyway) herself so she could go after Picard - is so utterly perfect for Picard, when Beverly became some sort of appalling, awful harpy who only ever existed to make Picard's life miserable... I mean, really. We've hardly seen Picard and Laris together and somehow it's this great romance / rock solid fabulous relationship? I don't expect Beverly and Picard to get back together but the notion that she's just a hideous person and Laris is absolutely wonderful makes zero sense.

I just wanted a finale for this crew better than Nemesis. This episode gave us that.

Agreed. Nemesis was an abomination. Call this season of Picard fanwank or whatever else but it's a much better farewell to these characters.

medical checks are so sloppy that irumodic syndrome can be misdiagnosed (this irritates me because Crusher outright said at the end of BOBW "The DNA is... returning to normal" and obviously she wasn't completely thorough on that)

Geordi stated quite clearly that the changes the Borg made couldn't be detected 35 years ago. Medicine / technology has since advanced and now they can be detected. It's no more complicated than that.

One last point: shame on Wesley Crusher for not checking in on his widower mom in over 20 years. Being a Traveler is no excuse. And in true Star Trek fashion, if that is "too human" for the Traveler code or something, to hell with the the value of being a Traveler.

Gotta agree with this. I'm sure being a Traveller is very cool and Wesley gets to see and do lots of amazing stuff, but surely he could manage to visit his mother at least occasionally.

(And as I post the thread is at page 100. Really glad I don't mod this forum. )

 

[Nerys Myk]

Sadly, I no longer possess a copy of my sixth-grade magnum opus: "Frankenstein Meets the Golem."

Found a bizarre hand drawn comic where Jai (from the Tarzan TV show) had become Captain America’s sidekick.
On the Star Trek front I had a story where the Enterprise (TOS of course) crew goes into suspended animation and wake up in some sort of post-Apocalyptic 30th Century

 

[Scionz]

I'm not sure about Sela per se, but having the Romulans show up to help defend Earth in the series finale would be thematically appropriate for Star Trek: Picard. It would be a good callback/contrast to Season One -- where the Federation once turned its back on the Romulan people, the Romulan people refuse to turn their backs on the Federation. It would really lay the groundwork for an eventual Federation/Romulan alliance, and for the eventual reunification of the Vulcan and Romulan peoples as established in Star Trek: Discovery.

Yeah I majorly agree with this. The Romulans showing up I bet the nebula, not Earth) would bring Season 1 full circle. I do wonder if the Episode 8 Yar cameo was Denise Crosby's moment or if there is another. We know Tuvok is in Episode 10.

The other thing I really want to see is Data go to Copellius in his farewell scene and see Soji in a cameo, and probably bring back that Lal painting from Season 1. A bit part of Data's character arc in TNG was that he was alone in the universe. Unique (besides Lore, and later B-4). But now he has a whole planet that is a federation protecorate that in a way, is all his children. And it was Lal's painting in Season 1, and the chance she had returned that got Picard out of his self-imposed 12 year exile that ultimately saved the Federation and brought Data back. Him going to that planet is just, the perfect ending to both the character and the initial arc of the show.

 

[Paul755]

100 pages and it’s only been out a day and a half. Crazy.

 

[Scionz]

100 pages and it’s only been out a day and a half. Crazy.

It's been a season of superlatives with several of the best shows in 25 years, best new characters, best this and that. Every episode has been great. Some even ascended to Trek legendary status.

But Episode 9? It's easily a top 5 non-monster-of-the-week Trek show. And that last Act is probably a Top 3 moment in all of Trek.

 

[Trekker4747]

Thus should have been, like, episode 3 or maybe 4. Minus Jack Crusher and then Borg.

Our crew is back together, work I g together, on their ship and they have threat/mission to take care of boom, we get into it.

Instead it's been the usual mishmash of a dozen different stories and plots thrown against the wall, not much sticks and we use it all anyway.

One episode left and *now* we know what the fucknthe ultimate plan is and it has something to do with the Borg... Again. And Starfleet having all of their ships in one place at once and around Earth. So Earth is decimated at this point right? The time it took to fly out to the museum get the -D going and now fly back? I mean what is here to save. And, of course, every destination is one quick warp jump away by shuttlecraft.

Sighhhhh.

It was nice to see the -D again the bridge was well done and... LIGHTS!!!!