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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

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Random thing I think would be neat: Civilian vessels coming to aid the D/Spacedock in the fight against the rogue Starfleet, a sort of Dunkirk in space. Wouldn't need to be a major point but sort of a minor highlight---

ENT-D drops out of warp, Data reports that a number of civilian ships are aiding Spacedock in the defense of Earth, Worf notes many are unarmed, Bev says something about them sacrificing themselves, Riker or Picard says something about we need act act urgently before they're obliterated, along with spacedock and the entire Federation(!), then to Geordi: execute whatever plan we've cooked up, etc.
 
So has it been 10 years since they engaged the Borg? Was that reference not counting picard meeting the queen?

They didn't "engage" the Borg in S2. JuartiBorg came to help.
The other Borg were in an alternate time line and in this timeline it never happened.
 
That's fine if you want fiction-as-polemic.

I like it that fictional characters can be massive hypocrites, such as the freedom-fighting Rebels in Star Wars not caring at all that the droids they use are obviously slaves. It feels more real, like people actually are. We aren't consistent about this kind of thing.
It just didn't feel in character given the fact that it was such a big issue for her.

Being a fairly minor point, it didn't affect my enjoyment (such as it was) of the episode. But it didn't ring true. YMMV.
 
I'll say this, Assuming Starfleet survives this little encounter, they need to regroup and systematically hunt down and Eradicate all Borg. They have been a thorn in their collective asses for 40 years and this was just the straw that broke the camels back.
 
I am wondering, they warp to Earth, but they don't have a plan yet. Hope the trip to Earth is long enough to figure out how to defeat the Borg. This is the one thing that seemed really odd at the end of the episode.
 
The other Borg were in an alternate time line and in this timeline it never happened.

The JuratiBorg did not exist in an alternate timeline. Remember, they were in the very first S2 episode...

They just closed the loop. Those Borg were always supposed to exist, and always DID exist. True, the Confederation timeline (i.e. Annie's Borg Queen) was necessary for them to exist, but it all fits together nicely.

It's like Sela. Her mother is the Tasha Yar from the "Yesterday's Enterprise" timeline, but Sela herself is of the prime timeline. Sela was always supposed to exist; she existed even before that episode aired, and continued to exist after it.

Same story here. :shrug:
 
Really? I didn't watch Prodigy. Maybe I'll check that out.
Prodigy is the best of the modern Star Trek’s in my opinion. Definitely check it out.

Now, Vox. I do not even know where to begin. I think that I need to rank this episode on two scales, one of nostalgia and love which would make this episode 11/10 and one of story itself and how it fits in to the season, which I would have to give 6/10 - this is probably the weakest episode of the season so far in my opinion, relying on spectacle to make up for this fact, with the obvious flaws of the story hidden behind all of the bells and whistles of nostalgia. All of this is even forgiven by the time of the reveal of the Enterprise D and its bridge though… quite simply beautiful and the best Star Trek I have seen since First Contact/Endgame. Can you see how I want to rate this 11/10? It has the most amazing and *ultimate* fanw*nk, but look *deeper* in to it… all of this is shamelessly hiding deeper routed problems. Season’s 1 and 2 had similar problems, but they did not have as much fanw*nk, characters, special effects and soothingly familiar music to cover these problems up with as season 3 does.

Young Picard opened a locked door in season 2 and saw his mother hanging from a noose, this time in season 3 his son opened a locked door which he was too scared to open and saw a Borg cube. Obviously a higher budget led to a better special effect this season? The parallels are too close not to be intentional though? :shrug:

I'll elaborate further after watching Vox again, but I find the coherence and pacing of this season, especially the latest episode, problematic. The latest episode seems like a somewhat rushed ‘curveball’ compared to the rest of the season, even though it‘s story developments were largely expected and predicted by the fans. This season has almost become like a chain of Star Trek episodes where each writer wrote a story without letting the previous or proceding writer read the story, with the next episodes writer only given the last sentence from the previous episode to continue the story from, though all the writers know the characters, the over arching general ‘major’ plot points and expected direction of the story which adds a loose ‘continuity’ though there is a constant and ad-hoc battle to maintain this flow and coherency of the story.

I know that this season was filmed over a year ago, but it gives the impression that this is all being written on the fly by a group of people doing there best to produce a show that they genuinely care about but at the same time struggling with time constraints and deadlines. I got this same feeling in season 1 and 2 of Picard too, but to a lesser extent this season as the production values are a lot higher this time around which ‘smooths’ everything together. I guess that we (I?) can blame COVID for this impression though, Picard season 3 was filmed during the pandemic back to back with season 2 so we need to remember that production conditions were not normal. The reveal of the Borg cube behind the door, for example, was a bit like the reveal of Jurati Borg Queen in season 2 - I felt like this was an undecided plot point at the start of season 2, with Jurati’s face even seemingly ‘deep faked’ in to the Borg Queen in the final episode. We never got to see the Borg Queen’s face in this weeks episode either, I am thinking that this is out of respect to Annie Wersching who I believe would have been cast in this role as prime universe Queen. Did they get Alice Krige back to do the Borg Queen voice over though? It did sound a lot like her?

I also think that the Borg, their behaviours and motives have been severely misunderstood and misrepresented in this episode, though perhaps the Queen can explain properly in next weeks episode. The Borg were playing a *very* long game with their plot involving Jack, it is a plot involving too many variables that I can only explain away with the Borg Queen having temporal intuition, knowing that the butterfly set in to motion with Picard’s ‘seed’ would pan out 35 years in the future. This however would also mean that the Borg are a faction in the Temoral (Cold) War - a time war is fought in all directions of the passages of time, temporal intuition is an ability which can be exploited by a faction in this conflict. Of course, the Borg have already conducted an actual temporal incursion in the movie First Contact.

Are we now to assume that the Founders ‘Face’ was indeed the Borg or their Queen? The language used by the Face was not very Borg like, perhaps the writers had different plans for the Face and ended up having to retcon this character in to the Queen? I hope not, though. A bigger question, why did the Borg not assimilate the Changelings? Why did the Borg need to coerce the Changelings to do their biddings? Why could the Borg not use transporter assimilated drones ‘undercover’ to do the same job? These ‘organic tech’ drones are just as efficient undercover as Founders/Changelings. :shrug:

Seven of Nine became Captain this week though, another reason to grade this episode 11/10. OMG Sqweeeeee!!!!

I’m expecting Q to turn up again next week somehow to help fix all of this, further bookending the TNG era. Perhaps this is all a part of Q’s trial that never ends. We never expected Data to come back after his beautiful send off in Picard season 1, so even if we do not expect a Q return it is entirely possible as the writers can do whatever they want. There is no logic to Star Trek any more it has obviously grown too big for people to manage effectively in regards to continuity, it is blank slate for people to do whatever they think and have fun with… I’m now just following Star Trek like I would ride a rollercoaster that I have never ridden before from now on and will hold my hat tight along the way. Nothing is sacred, no past storyline, character or plot point… and everything is open to interpretation and development in any direction at the whim of whoever is in charge of the show. The fate of Elizabeth Shelby included. :shrug:
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Star Trek now needs to start going in a boldly fashion, to wherever fun is to be had. I do not mind riding there on the Enterprise D. That ship *is* sacred…. Perhaps the D is on its way to the anti time anomaly from All Good Things along with all the other versions of the Enterprise? That would be a cool finale... they could be ‘Bounty’ cloaked. Q…. :D :techman:
 
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Would have laughed my ass off if they opened the doors and seen the NX Refit..
And them playing the theme song when they get on tbe bridge..:p

With Geordi saying.. She may look old but she has been modernized under the hood.
 
The one thing I don't understand is... what was the Queen's original plan with Picard's tailor-made receiver-transmitter genes? The one we saw executed not only hinges on a third party intentionally propagating it through individual transporter units, but also on him having naturally conceived offspring who inherits his genome in a specific way that allows him to act as a transmitter for the assimilation signal when plugged into the Collective. How would that work with what we have seen with Locutus acting as a mouthpiece for what appears to be a standard send-a-single-cube assimilation plan?
It's likely a normal part of the assimilation process.

After all, we saw something similar with the three Borg Seven of Nine psychically linked together in Voyager.
 
I am wondering, they warp to Earth, but they don't have a plan yet. Hope the trip to Earth is long enough to figure out how to defeat the Borg. This is the one thing that seemed really odd at the end of the episode.
Maybe they'll fly so fast and go back in time? That would be a cool reset. I can just see Ducane shaking his head.
 
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