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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

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Vger23 said:
You know what? The plot is over-cooked and I'm not sure it totally makes sense. I'm disappointed that The Borg are back. I'm pissed that they killed off the best new character with the most long-term potential since Lorca.
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There's your next Trek show:
Star Trek: Afterlife
To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before:

starring Lorca, Shaw, Shelby, Ro
with a host of other dead Star Fleet officers.
 
I found my first flaw in the recreation of the D's Bridge. The railing bows up a bit too high. You can actually see the condose stations through the railing now. A minor inconsistency but it's there.
 
valkyrie013 said:
You'd think, with them watching the fleet, that the Titan would, Oh, I don't know, Turn OFF Windows Automatic Update?
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Based on Matalas' "-X" ship tease from a couple of weeks back, I'm guessing that the Enterprise-D won't be destroyed. She'll get banged up but serve their purpose.

Towards the end of the episode as the crew goes their separate ways, the Enterprise-D is restored again to a modified canon Galaxy-X configuration and Riker will be her Captain and it will succeed the Enterprise-F (which will be destroyed). Thus bringing another aspect of the AGT anti-time future into Prime canon (Riker with Galaxy-X 1701D as his ship). I know it seems like a bit of a fan wank (okay more than a bit...) but the last 3 seasons, particularly this one, has been very clever in bringing in aspects of the AGT anti-time future into being, but with a twist in every case. The Galaxy-X with Riker in command is one of the last bits.

Also guessing Jack, who turns on the Borg Queen, goes to the Delta Quadrant with Beverly as Episode 9 foreshadowed to liberate the Collective as a "transmitter".
 
valkyrie013 said:
You'd think, with them watching the fleet, that the Titan would, Oh, I don't know, Turn OFF Windows Automatic Update?
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Right? Unless it was somehow so deeply integrated so as to be impossible, if I'm headed TOWARDS a fleet that can take control of my ship, I'm making sure someone is in Communications Closet B-12 on Deck 6 or whatever ripping out that particular router/modem/interplexing beacon/random glowie.
 
Arpy said:
I think that Shelby, after a lifetime of studying the Borg, thought she could out-Borg them. That she would take the best of their Collective strength MO and give it to her own people, and use it to combat the evil that was ultimately studying her right back. Coupled with key advisors encouraging her on…and maybe adversaries having their own successes with salvaged Borg tech and networked systems (we need to develop AI before the Chinese develop their own)…and with Starfleet being better at routing out AI threats and hacks and whatnot after PRO….she didn’t see it until it was too late. I mean, she was a 4-5 star admiral at this point; she was probably used to successes and thinking things were different in this new normal.

Also, it was an innovative new attack. The ships or crew weren’t invaded by nano probes, the crew themselves were hacked by genetic manipulation.
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It's in line with the brilliant deep cuts this entire season. We know from Voyager that the Borg alter DNA when they assimilate someone. That's why lifesigns swap from the original species to Borg. I believe there was an episode which dealt with this in part - it's a common misconception by the Borg are also attempting biological perfection, not just technological. It's why they wanted to assimilate Species 8472. Because they represented a quantum leap forward in biology compared to everything the Borg encountered.

I anticipated the biological angle would be the thread they pulled on, but I thought they wouldn't actually make it the Borg. My theory was more or less, the ghost of Locutus was stuck around as a passenger in Picard for 30 years, and Irumodic Syndrome was really Locutus asserting himself. I did get right that Jack inheriting the biological aspect of the Borg was basically a cosmic accident, since the Borg don't procreate sexually.

But this biological angle isn't new canon or a retcon at all. It's a very old "I watched every Borg episode of Voyager and took notes" canon. Heck didn't Seven of Nine even work on a slow moving assimilation virus on behalf of the Borg Queen in Voyager: Dark Frontier? Be something else if the last episode revelead that she was in part responsible for this, but that might distract from her character arc at this late stage.
 
I managed to watch it (and stay spoilers free so... wow!). And 95 pages? you buggars!!

I cannot take the season's plot too seriously, cause let's be honest, this show is now about the TNG moments. The whole purpose of the latest episode (or even the season's) was them "reviving" Enterprise D and sit on the bridge like the good old times. It doesn't matter if the villains are the Borg or the Ferengi.
At this point, they do not care to create something new or invest in new characters, but just give the TNG crew (another) great finale.
I mean they tried in season 1, that had it's flaws, but at least they tried for something new. And the fans reacted, "this is not the Picard we knew", etc etc etc.
And they went with project nostalgia, starting slowly from season 2 and going to season 3 with only 2 of the "new" characters left (if you count 7 as new).

But let's not blame Picard's showrunner for doing what we watch in almost all "peak tv" era series: offer unforgettable moments and memorable episodes, even if the plot leading there could be unrealistic or even stupid.

Despite its problems, I have quite enjoyed this season of Picard so far. It offered some great moments (especially Ro's episode).
I do find the Borg as an enemy overused to death and I miss the exploration and the sci-fi... but well you can not have it all.
This is still the best Star Trek series since forever (Lower Decks is close behind but it is animation and I can't really compare them).

One thing is for sure, I will miss this amazing crew.
 
Starscream2112 said:
I would really like one of the star trek shows have a sequel to the Doomsday Machine.
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It would be great but I doubt it would happen. City on the Edge of Forever is considered one of Trek's greatest episode ever - usually Top 5 or Top 3 - and besides a TAS episode, it took 50 years to get a sequel (of sorts) in Discovery. There were countless proposals to revisit it in all the 90s era shows, and in production of TOS movies during the writing stage. And they went nowhere.

There has been a decades long strange reluctance until very recently to pull on plot threads from TOS like the Guardian of Forever, or the Doomsday Machine. Yeah Enterprise Season 4 did a bunch that were long ignored - the Tholians, the pre-fall of the Terran Empire Mirror Universe, the Gorn, the Organians, the Augments and the flat-forehead Klingons - but that was in large part because Rick Berman checked out. Discovery and SNW seized on a lot of these, so maybe the relecutance was generational and there is more of a chance of seeing a sequel to things like the Doomsday Machine now.
 
Forgive the question if this is discussed elsewhere and I missed it: but was the D Bridge a full set or was it just the horseshoe and chairs, with the rest CGI or VR wall?
 
Pubert said:
I found my first flaw in the recreation of the D's Bridge. The railing bows up a bit too high. You can actually see the condose stations through the railing now. A minor inconsistency but it's there.
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In fairness, the bridge was trashed after GEN. Geordi had to rebuild most of it. I’m sure he screwed it up a little. He also made a conscious decision to rebuild it as the pre-refit version, without the extra consoles present in the film
 
And the platform that Picard's, Riker's and Deanna's chairs sat on in that movie, placing the three higher in relation to Worf's tactical station than they were in the series. In ways the GEN bridge was a lot like the alternate timeline 1701-D bridge from "Yesterday's Enterprise."
 
Lord Garth said:
An end where they all blow up and die. Classy.

Everyone who complains that New Trek is too dark would be completely justified in what they say.

I think the F will be replaced with the G (though maybe not in this series), and the D will go to the Starfleet Musuem. I was just joking around in the previous post.
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That ship’s gone to warp. It is a darker show, and that’s okay.

If we want a lighter one, let’s ask for one of those. Seems like there’s a great diversity of series in the Trek universe today and something for everyone.

Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re all still on the ship when they blow the reactor. “Let’s make sure history never forgets the name…Enterprise.”

Or, more to the point, let’s give whatever we can to stop an overwhelming foe threatening peace and light. They’re all officers and the ship’s just tech. There are civilians and a civilization to protect.

Plus, I loved Rogue One, you know?
 
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