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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

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Using the MCU as an example again... They didn't really assemble the Avengers in Act 1 of the movie. They waited until the Battle of New York at the end to do the wrap around shot of them in costume as a team fully together. They used the TWO HOURS beforehand (as well as multiple movies) to expand on the characters, their differences, and what they have to overcome to bring them to the place of being a true team.

That's no different than what's happened here.
I knew that approach would be cited, but it doesn't work as well here. Sorry.

It's closer to Cobra Kai which was frustrating in it's running in circles until Johnny and Daniel have a coming to Jesus moment. So, yeah, they drag out their big assemble moment and it feels like a misdirect.

As I said it might work better on rewatch.
But the casual jealousy of such a strong and capable female character is also off-putting.
All of it is very offputting.
 
But the casual jealousy of such a strong and capable female character is also off-putting.

Indeed, was Shelby a tad arrogant? Yes. Was she career driven? Absolutely? Were those traits that Riker himself pointed out he used to have? Yup that too. She wasn't a villain, she was a young upstart designed to rock the boat and remind Riker of the man he used to be and to give him a number one with a bit of edge rather than Data who'd likely just agree with everything he said.
 
Always comes back to the Borg. That's when it feels a tiny bit lazy.

But you can't really put the Borg on the pedestal of "greatest threat the Federation faces" and not mean it, so I'm ok with it.

I enjoyed the episode as always. not really much to say that hadn't already been covered by others, so ya.
 
Neelix, Harry Kim, Travis Mayweather, and the ur object of fan hate Wesley Crusher would like a word. Julian Bashir is listening in, stood next to Ezri Dax. Chakotay couldn’t be arsed, he knows where he stands already.
 
And? I guess I should mock others for celebrating the reunion on the Bridge since those are not real people and the emotional moments people are experiencing are ridiculous since they're not real.

:vulcan:

Not an apt comparison since I'm not "mocking" someone's reaction to enjoying the death of a fictional character. Is it okay to celebrate Vadic's death?
 
I knew that approach would be cited, but it doesn't work as well here. Sorry.

It's closer to Cobra Kai which was frustrating in it's running in circles until Johnny and Daniel have a coming to Jesus moment. So, yeah, they drag out their big assemble moment and it feels like a misdirect.

As I said it might work better on rewatch.

All of it is very offputting.
We haven't seen some of these characters (like Geordi, Beverly, Worf, etc.) in over 2 decades, and others (like Riker and Troi) we've only seen small fragments of their lives. They needed to reintroduce those characters and have some backstory on what they've gone through over that time, how they're different, what that means for Picard and them as friends and family. You couldn't just throw them together on the bridge of the Enterprise-D in episode 3 without giving some foundation on which these moments feel earned.
 
Apologies for not reading an 89 page thread. I’m a little confused, and hoping someone can explain.

The Borg altered Locutus’ DNA so he could produce offspring that would become Vox. Then Locutus was taken from them and became Picard again. Picard didn’t produce offspring for over a decade. And the Borg… just waited?

Since they had lost control of Locutus, why not just start over with somebody who was still under their control? What was so unique about Picard/Locutus that they couldn’t just do the same thing with somebody else?
 
We haven't seen some of these characters (like Geordi, Beverly, Worf, etc.) in over 2 decades, and others (like Riker and Troi) we've only seen small fragments of their lives. They needed to reintroduce those characters and have some backstory on what they've gone through over that time, how they're different, what that means for Picard and them as friends and family. You couldn't just throw them together on the bridge of the Enterprise-D in episode 3 without giving some foundation on which these moments feel earned.
Did I say otherwise? My point was it could have been done sooner and would have had a more positive impact, rather than feeling like a dangling a thread and then "Boom! here's your big team up moments."

As I said, this my initial reaction and may be inaccurate. But right now it is not working for me. Mileage will vary!
 
Yesterday I was complaining about several massive technical errors.

Today I will praise the fact the Geordi stated they couldn't find Borg organic technology 35 years ago, demonstrating an advancement in this area.

I also find this explanation completely sensible.
I thought the same, in that it parallels current medical technology.
 
Apologies for not reading an 89 page thread. I’m a little confused, and hoping someone can explain.

The Borg altered Locutus’ DNA so he could produce offspring that would become Vox. Then Locutus was taken from them and became Picard again. Picard didn’t produce offspring for over a decade. And the Borg… just waited?

Since they had lost control of Locutus, why not just start over with somebody who was still under their control? What was so unique about Picard/Locutus that they couldn’t just do the same thing with somebody else?
The Collective may not have known this was going to happen until he was born.
 
Indeed, was Shelby a tad arrogant? Yes. Was she career driven? Absolutely? Were those traits that Riker himself pointed out he used to have? Yup that too. She wasn't a villain, she was a young upstart designed to rock the boat and remind Riker of the man he used to be and to give him a number one with a bit of edge rather than Data who'd likely just agree with everything he said.

Yes! I always viewed it as here's this person who's on the same team but has a totally different perspective on how to accomplish what they wanted to and it was good to see the "conflict" play out. She wasn't really wrong about anything! But neither was Riker if you look at it from his perspective...
 
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