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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

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I'm a new account and I'm broadly positive about it. At the very least, I think it's a huge improvement on the previous seasons.
 
The goal of any long running franchise is survivability. To continue going. If they decide to turn this the direction of the franchise, it will not survive. You need to bring in new viewers. And this season probably turned a lot of potential viewers off. It’s been too insular.

but many viewers who will give an episode a 10 just for having the enterprise don’t see it that way and get angry at anything different.
 
A lot of virtrol and bubbling anger.

I get that not every episode is for everyone, but I don't understand people who say that the plot/concept/execution of this episode was somehow worse than anything else we've had over the last 35/36 years.

Was it campy? Yeah of course, but every Star Trek villian has been.

Good Star Trek isn't about "villains." This wasn't supposed to be James Bond. It only turned into that because of stupid ego case actors who only agreed to make more Star Trek if the producers would indulge their insanity.

It's really amazing how far people's standards have dropped. Khan wasn't a "villain." He was a tragic figure who was used to explore the premise of how humans react to situations they can't win (such as growing old and losing the people close to you).

Amanda Plummer's character (can't even remember the name because the character was such a laughable piece of crap) was AWFUL and didn't explore ANYTHING interesting.

It's SWILL. Utter swill.
 
I think the implication is Jack/Vox only took control of the under 25s on Starfleet ships. Bases and the like were not compromised, because they weren't wired into that stupid fleet integration software.

It wasn’t the software that did it — it was replaced officers like the transporter chief on Titan. (They established he had been replaced before we even saw the Titan this series.)
 
I think the Star Trek franchise has just jumped the shark with this episode. The rampant nostalgia factor was bad enough, but this is ridiculous.
This season was essentially a screen version of a Star Trek convention.
"OMG look Ro and Tuvok are guest speakers"
"OMG look they have Jack Crushers suitcase and a TOS phaser"
I doubt anyone remembered Elnor, they just wanted Big Name Ship to fall to the Borg. If they need the character for later, he'll show up.
Completely forgotten.
When Picard said Elnor was like a son in earlier seasons he meant "son" the way Worf says it about Alexander.
 
Good Star Trek isn't about "villains." This wasn't supposed to be James Bond. It only turned into that because of stupid ego case actors who only agreed to make more Star Trek if the producers would indulge their insanity.

It's really amazing how far people's standards have dropped. Khan wasn't a "villain." He was a tragic figure who was used to explore the premise of how humans react to situations they can't win (such as growing old and losing the people close to you).

Amanda Plummer's character (can't even remember the name because the character was such a laughable piece of crap) was AWFUL and didn't explore ANYTHING interesting.

It's SWILL. Utter swill.

I agree with half of that. The first half.
Vadic is another character about legacy — in her case, the legacy of war.
 
Frak

“All this has happened before….”

Now that I’ve gotten all my BSG comparisons out of the way…

I just knew that when they talked about all ships talking to each other and things being automated that this would come back to bite them

So we have only one episode left? How will they tie everything up? Where’s the real Tuvok?

Flipping the switch to the Borg is causing whiplash. We just spent the entire season with Changlings they’re still out there
 
We’ve seen new voices on these forums with this series, and I think it’s doing better at pulling in casual viewers from back in the day than s1 did after its media blitz.
Whilst yes, those movies were all there was when first released, I am thinking more that like those films, this may have all kinds of call backs to an older cast but people might still watch it and like it and be drawn in.
I think it is growing the fan base rather than diminishing it for once.
I hope so! I definitely think Discovery brought in new fans, and hopefully Prodigy has too.

Star Trek can't just be nostalgia bait, but equally it can't ignore the past.

Generally ST: Picard has walked the line surprisingly well, and on one level they should be congratulated for resisting the urge to have the TNG back on the bridge of the Enterprise until episode 29 out of 30.

I can forgive the indulgence of the end of this episode, as long as it's a rare occurrence. It's not special if you do it every week.
 
I don't think every show has that responsibility. Shows can have whatever specific purpose they want and target the audience they want. They don't need to appeal to everyone.
And I did say that's fine for THIS show. But so many fans are screaming that they want more and more "Terry Trek". Trek that in no way will expand the franchise.

Hell, this show went out of its way to kill what growth it did have by nixing out virtually all the new characters they created and replacing them with old ones.
 
Forget politics, this is clearly an allegory to the obsession (mostly) under 25s have with Tiktok and how the oldies are trying to rescue them from their imminent demise. :biggrin:
 
Shelby was a bit of a dark joke harking back to the time she told Riker she wants to be on the Enterprise. She got her 5 mins on the bridge and then boom, death by Borg.
I don’t not think she was the captain of that vessel. Just in charge of the Frontier Day fleet
 
The new season 1 and season 2 characters were terrible. There was nothing there to explore.

What's incredible is that I have absolutely no doubt that they're going to just dump the changeling thread and the "mystery face." Laughable crap.
 
The era of rapid Franchise Expansion is done. Star Trek isn't on TV anymore, you can't just tune into TNG/DS9/VOY on TV anymore for free, you have to go out of your way to seek it down and buy subscription services.
 
I don’t not think she was the captain of that vessel. Just in charge of the Frontier Day fleet
Even so, just being on that bridge...head canon would like to think this is the first time she sat on an Enterprise captains chair.
 
And I did say that's fine for THIS show. But so many fans are screaming that they want more and more "Terry Trek". Trek that in no way will expand the franchise.

But more Terry-Trek would not mean more Trek that is just a send-off to classic Trek. PIC S3 is a special case. Not all Terry-Tek would be the same as S3. I am sure Terry Matalas could do new Trek that appeals to new fans.
 
The new season 1 and season 2 characters were terrible. There was nothing there to explore.

What's incredible is that I have absolutely no doubt that they're going to just dump the changeling thread and the "mystery face." Laughable crap.

I would advise you to start getting more creative and engage in more genuine discussion before you turn into yet another *Hangs out in episode thread screaming at clouds" account.

We get it, you think it's crap.
 
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