Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x08 - "Surrender"
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because he wasn’t interested. The Visitor proved that all he lacked was motivation.
I don't know. That interpretation suggests that he would have joined Starfleet if he'd thought he was up to it, as opposed to simply not wanting to follow in his dad's footsteps just because. It's not as though all right-thinking people in the Federation ought to want to join Starfleet if they're able because they are no other worthy vocations in the 24th century.
I really liked the idea that not everybody in Federation aspires to be a Starfleet captain. The Federation is composed of civilians as well, including people with many different callings and passions. The future needs journalists and politicians and architects and chefs and gardeners and poets and performance artists and dentists and plumbers and teachers and nannies and musicians just as much as it needs dashing Starfleet officers, especially if we want to believe it's a full and complete civilization.
Jake should be applauded for following his own passion, not scorned for not being Starfleet material.
The Federation is bigger than Starfleet.
I still think it's pretty funny (and ironic) that as eager as Brent Spiner was to NOT play Data anymore (after NEM)...he's awfully into it now!
I suspect some of Brent's frustrations back in the day have been significantly alleviated now. Biggest thing to consider is his role as Data, and not being able to show off his acting chops likely actively harmed his career for a while.
If we look at S1 of Picard, he's a bit character that is very much the old Data and allowed to say goodbye to someone he considers a dear friend plot-wise. Even then, he plays Inigo Soong for variety which lets him actually act on screen.
S2 Spiner's allowed to play a Soong in which he can have a bit more fun, chews the scenery a bit as well as show a range of acting and emotion.
S3, he's allowed to play a smorgasboard of his old characters before actively laid out in the script that he will become something more human, more new. Which allows Spiner to just act. Like the hologram message is a bit too on the nose in telling rather than showing us (more scenes in the mindscape instead might've been good). However, the resulting character allows Spiner to act more natural on screen and actually have fun with the role.
...I mean. I'd legit want to watch that. It'd actually be quite interesting to see that side of the coin and the horrible things and choices non-hero starfleet officers have to go through and decicions they have to make.
"Fleet Brats" are a thing in real life, and we have a nice example of this in the form of the LaForge Family, who consider Starlfeet their natural home.
But I also totally agree. Considering Starfleet did take his mother from him, it's not all that surprising that Jake wanted to be able to hold anyone accountable in such positions of power in the future.
"Nightmare in Sliver", written by Neil Gaiman.
Yes, it is true that Michael Chabon has been known to wear retro country & western hipster attire, but the point of the scene with Riker & Troi discussing Nepenthe is them getting over their grief, so if that is a Chabon reference, it is probably either a little in-joke or a weird coincidence.
The lack of detail is annoying to me but for different reasons. Can Kestra just be at boarding school or with the nanny they definitely have? Much like if I see my real friends without their children, I genuinely don't give a f where their kids are, just assume their parents know they are safe...who cares? My bigger concern is that I assumed Kestra was a baby, I must not have been paying attention. Wasn't Deanna holding a baby on a video call with Riker at some point? Am I losing it or is it just disorganised?
She did, but that was a flashback to when Thad was born.
Kestra is his younger sister.
We saw her in season one as a very early teen or late pre-teen.
Ohhhh confusing because Troi and Riker look the same age as the present, I guess I didn't realise it was a flashback. Also I have completely forgotten absolutely everything from season 1, I feel like it was a random film I watched one time. Thank you for the reminder!
I suddenly want bunnicorn pizza.
I thought Kestra might be in the safekeeping of that freighter captain guy...what was his name?
Captain Rupert Crandall and his freighter "The Inside Straight". I still want to see an animated show with Kestra and Crandall going on Rick and Morty style adventures.
Watched this again last night. The episode cuts from the changelings leaving the bridge with phasers in their hands to encountering Raffi without phasers and engaging in hand to hand combat. I wonder if something was cut where Data set off a pulse to disable their phasers or something. Just seems like a really cheap oversight.
Kestra is the floating goo face and mastermind of this entire thing.
Watched this episode again and I gotta say that the scene in the ready room made me affronted for Captain Shaw. He's been totally sidelined, shown as weak and ineffective. But it's his ship. They don't even try to loop him in? I know, I know, a lot of y'all are watching for the reunions but I'm kind of disappointed by the story itself. Like it's too big and very narrow at the same time. I suppose these last two episodes will be the payoff. Hope there actually is a payoff.
that would be quite a surprise! Not a good one, but nobody would expect it.
He’s been weak and ineffective since the beginning. And petty too.
I like him, but he’s what he is.
You have a point here, I guess he was still recovering from his wounds. We’ve seen before that he’s the opposite of Picard, Kirk, Janeway and so on also under this point of view: no way they would have given command to someone else during a dire battle situation such as the one in the nebula, not as long as they could keep awake.
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