And Picard and Co. changed the 21st century again (as it happened after the events seen in PICARD S2 in Universe) in Star Trek: First Contact too.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x04 - "No Win Scenario"
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And Picard and Co. changed the 21st century again (as it happened after the events seen in PICARD S2 in Universe) in Star Trek: First Contact too.
I actually loved the CGI in this episode, in particular the shots of the newly born space jellyfish, they were soooo cute. Here is a CGI show reel that I stumbled across from this episode:
The shots of the Titan slowly losing power as she descends ever deeper in to the anomaly are truly haunting. The drama which unfolded onboard the ship as life support slowly ebbed away, along with all hope of survival for the crew, was also quite emotional. Kudos to Doctor Crusher for saving the day, that was definitely an air first pumping moment which had me on the edge of my seat.
The shots of the Titan slowly losing power as she descends ever deeper in to the anomaly are truly haunting. The drama which unfolded onboard the ship as life support slowly ebbed away, along with all hope of survival for the crew, was also quite emotional. Kudos to Doctor Crusher for saving the day, that was definitely an air first pumping moment which had me on the edge of my seat.
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I really like the ship to ship battle with Titan and the Shrike, and how they had to rely on old school piloting, it reminds me of an age of sail story where the characters had to navigate in a similar way.
And then riding the wave! It really felt like everyone had to trust and rely on each other, and then, of course, Riker throwing a big rock at the Shrike.
(This is one of the few times I do like that its a bit dark, it fits with the story but other times when they’re out of combat, please turn up the lights!!!)
And the jelly baby aliens was really great with Beverly repeating Starfleet’s main ethos: “To seek out new life…”
This and the next episode are my favorites of the season.
And then riding the wave! It really felt like everyone had to trust and rely on each other, and then, of course, Riker throwing a big rock at the Shrike.
(This is one of the few times I do like that its a bit dark, it fits with the story but other times when they’re out of combat, please turn up the lights!!!)
And the jelly baby aliens was really great with Beverly repeating Starfleet’s main ethos: “To seek out new life…”
This and the next episode are my favorites of the season.
Apologies for not sifting through 68 pages yet, but...
There's a lot of terrific one-liners and moments that sweeten the pot, in an episode that's really good but (IMHO) is somehow the weakest so far in other ways. But it's still very strong.
Everyone gets something positive to do; Beverly and Jack get the best bits.
Jack's namesake scene (re: Beverly's hubby) was good.
Good continuity: a changeling does need a pot or something to ooze in while regenerating. Was the drug joke really needed, though? This isn't "The Orville" or any of the 90s TNG flicks, and - overall - season 3 feels like a cinematic experience that the 90s ones should have been.
Shaw's background reveal of being at Wolf 359 stings and the universe is a large enough place.... Shaw is still a terrific breakout character with his own path (a big plus), and yet I still can't help comparing to Sisko (whom I like more). The Shaw being a grease monkey from Chicago story still works, and the one-liner about how "They even gave you a name" regarding the Borg is still very chilling. But even admiral Hanson in TBOBW said Picard was a casualty of war. His body was used literally as a puppet and would not Hanson tell the fleet that? Picard did and could do nothing, which is a level of chilling that nothing since could top, but this does come close...
A captain should know the high-level functions of every system, but Riker also gets to be chief engineer for a moment.
The Changeling appearing as NotLaForge was a great moment.
Picard says the F-bomb. A bit of a surprise despite it all, but it didn't feel needed or really in place. More impressively, he also channels Data when reciting Shaw being a (bleep) from Chicago.
Riker gets a memorable line at the end about not being able to hide from the pain by being alone.
The holodeck and its separate power source (really?) couldn't be shut down just so its power could prevent that "we have 0% anywhere, even life support, see the lights go down but we're not floating" scene? Contrivances aside, there is a rather positive thematic reason for the scene (esp. the callback with... Jack!!!... in one scene, as well as background setting building.)
The space jellyfish... It's a weird touch. Not bad, but not sure what to make of it. Very surreal. TOS and TNG both have histories with spacefaring lifeforms, the latter with "Encounter at Farpoint", "Galaxy Child", "Tin Man", "Silicon Avatar", et al. It's definitely a new take on the trope, and by the 21st century, it's weird that Trek would continue it... but it's a new twist. Can't hate it, but it's as weird as it is oddly satisfying.
Riker playing "fling it" by chucking an asteroid onto Vadic like how she whipped the Helios at them was still slick.
The scene that starts by inspiration from "Booby Trap" gives a great command moment for Picard, while letting LaForge continue to be helm.
At this point, at little more info on Vadic and the Changelings would be nice to up the ante, though with six episodes left, more would be coming - why the performance art with her hand when it attaches back on with ease, after removing it just so floatydemonthingy can talk and threaten her? Otherwise, if it weren't for Amanda Plummer, the character wouldn't be memorable as there's not much on the script. And yet she steals the scenes she's in. Huge kudos to her acting for making Vadic memorable and more than what's on paper.
7.5/10, will round up.
(On edit: Name spelling correction, a typo, very small clarification, and a partridge in a pear tree.
)
There's a lot of terrific one-liners and moments that sweeten the pot, in an episode that's really good but (IMHO) is somehow the weakest so far in other ways. But it's still very strong.
Everyone gets something positive to do; Beverly and Jack get the best bits.
Jack's namesake scene (re: Beverly's hubby) was good.
Good continuity: a changeling does need a pot or something to ooze in while regenerating. Was the drug joke really needed, though? This isn't "The Orville" or any of the 90s TNG flicks, and - overall - season 3 feels like a cinematic experience that the 90s ones should have been.
Shaw's background reveal of being at Wolf 359 stings and the universe is a large enough place.... Shaw is still a terrific breakout character with his own path (a big plus), and yet I still can't help comparing to Sisko (whom I like more). The Shaw being a grease monkey from Chicago story still works, and the one-liner about how "They even gave you a name" regarding the Borg is still very chilling. But even admiral Hanson in TBOBW said Picard was a casualty of war. His body was used literally as a puppet and would not Hanson tell the fleet that? Picard did and could do nothing, which is a level of chilling that nothing since could top, but this does come close...
A captain should know the high-level functions of every system, but Riker also gets to be chief engineer for a moment.
The Changeling appearing as NotLaForge was a great moment.
Picard says the F-bomb. A bit of a surprise despite it all, but it didn't feel needed or really in place. More impressively, he also channels Data when reciting Shaw being a (bleep) from Chicago.
Riker gets a memorable line at the end about not being able to hide from the pain by being alone.
The holodeck and its separate power source (really?) couldn't be shut down just so its power could prevent that "we have 0% anywhere, even life support, see the lights go down but we're not floating" scene? Contrivances aside, there is a rather positive thematic reason for the scene (esp. the callback with... Jack!!!... in one scene, as well as background setting building.)
The space jellyfish... It's a weird touch. Not bad, but not sure what to make of it. Very surreal. TOS and TNG both have histories with spacefaring lifeforms, the latter with "Encounter at Farpoint", "Galaxy Child", "Tin Man", "Silicon Avatar", et al. It's definitely a new take on the trope, and by the 21st century, it's weird that Trek would continue it... but it's a new twist. Can't hate it, but it's as weird as it is oddly satisfying.
Riker playing "fling it" by chucking an asteroid onto Vadic like how she whipped the Helios at them was still slick.
The scene that starts by inspiration from "Booby Trap" gives a great command moment for Picard, while letting LaForge continue to be helm.
At this point, at little more info on Vadic and the Changelings would be nice to up the ante, though with six episodes left, more would be coming - why the performance art with her hand when it attaches back on with ease, after removing it just so floatydemonthingy can talk and threaten her? Otherwise, if it weren't for Amanda Plummer, the character wouldn't be memorable as there's not much on the script. And yet she steals the scenes she's in. Huge kudos to her acting for making Vadic memorable and more than what's on paper.
7.5/10, will round up.
(On edit: Name spelling correction, a typo, very small clarification, and a partridge in a pear tree.
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It was still Picard's face and voice though. That's where the trauma lies.
It is silly, but Voyager did it first, so it's established canon. However this series gave us an explanation as to why that's the case, Voyager didn't.
Very true. Even knowing it wasn't Picard might not stop a person and that's the most tragic aspect, on top of everything else. Glad it's being explored and in a different way to Sisko, and plenty of survivors would have different ways of dealing with it so it's not an overdone trope.
Thanks for the info!
The explanation was woolly, but considering where the story ended up, PIC did need to have to put in an explanation (esp. as VOY did it first, so that would make sense.) And maybe it wasn't possible to reroute the power to the main systems. Holodecks would require a lot, but base life support and gravity plating probably need considerably less for any sustained period of time. It's not the first time in Trek history where something seemingly simple would be overlooked, and given the philosophical themes being addressed in these scenes more than made up for the nitpicks...
Another winner. I'm surprised that nobody explicitly compared the solution to the predicament to surfing. (I don't surf; I never even had the inclination to learn how to swim, but I know what surfing is.)
I didn't notice it on the DVD last night (perhaps I was distracted at the moment) but did anybody else notice that the "heads" of these cosmozoans bear a certain resemblance to the heads of cats?
I was already aware (how could one not be, by now) that
but cutting off her hand with a dagger in order to contact her boss seemed a bit puzzling.
I didn't notice it on the DVD last night (perhaps I was distracted at the moment) but did anybody else notice that the "heads" of these cosmozoans bear a certain resemblance to the heads of cats?
I was already aware (how could one not be, by now) that
Vadic was a Founder,
Really? Where? Especially given that René Auberjonois died over four years ago.
Thanks.
When that whole subject came up, I'm still reminded of Quark's line (before latinum was canonically established as a liquid) about getting Odo "a latinum-plated bucket to sleep in."
When that whole subject came up, I'm still reminded of Quark's line (before latinum was canonically established as a liquid) about getting Odo "a latinum-plated bucket to sleep in."
I think the hand has something to do with letting elements of said boss take control of that part to communicate. Mostly it’s just to be shocking though.
Hmm. It does that rather well without having to force-feed us a serving of "eye-scream."
If you don't already know
she's a Founder,
The phrase, "Talk to the hand," comes to mind.
Once you find out who the boss is, you will also be puzzled. But it’s why I reckon it’s done — though mostly it’s done for squick.
It's also to illustrate the methods of controlling Vadic's group.
when they get out of that nebula, where does all the space creatures come from all of a sudden?
also, at the beginning of the episode, Picard is in a restaurant, dated that scene as 5 yr. ago, then at the end of that episode, his son is talking to him, so does that mean his son dig him out back then?
also, at the beginning of the episode, Picard is in a restaurant, dated that scene as 5 yr. ago, then at the end of that episode, his son is talking to him, so does that mean his son dig him out back then?
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They were babies.
any relation to the ones at Farpoint station?
Metaphorically and subtextually certainly… but I don’t think so in universe. More like shades of Galaxy’s Child
