Different universe of course, but I'm thinking of Georgiou walking through the field into Burnham's detention cell.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x07 - "Dominion"
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Different universe of course, but I'm thinking of Georgiou walking through the field into Burnham's detention cell.
Shame the quantum stasis field device went down with the Tal Shiar fleet, would've been so handy right about now!
Nah. I had it right. You are wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime#:~:text=The rule of war, also,prisoners of war or civilians.
Crusher: Good, Jean-Luc, good. Kill her.
[Vadic looks at Crusher in shock]
Crusher: Kill her now.
Picard: I shouldn't...
Crusher: Do it!
Picard: [Picard vaporizes Vadic]
Crusher: You did well, Jean-Luc. She was too dangerous to be kept alive.
Picard: Yes, but she was an unarmed prisoner. I shouldn't have done that. It's not the Starfleet way.
Crusher: It is only natural. She hunted our son, kidnapped Will, stole your body, and you wanted revenge. It wasn't the first time, Jean-Luc. Remember what you told me about Ensign Lynch in the holodeck.
[sound of machine gun fire as if Picard can still hear Lynch's death]
Crusher: Now, we must leave before more changelings arrive.
So is summary execution of prisoners, but Kruge's murder of David for no reason showed that playing by any kind of rules of war was out the window. Also, since the Federation is aware of the Klingons' treatment of prisoners (e.g., Kirk states that the "Klingons don't take prisoners" at the beginning of Wrath of Khan, or at the very least sees prisoners as non-persons that can be treated as basically slaves), I think a pretty good argument can be made that Kruge negated any obligation for Kirk and crew to abide by the rules of being a prisoner of war (if they even apply on a galactic level) once he ordered a member of the Grissom away team to be murdered.
Star Trek's warfare rules don't correspond with real world ones anyway. Pretty sure in Discovery Starfleet laid bombs on Klingon bodies to kill the Klingons retrieving them, which is a real life war crime.
Strangely enough Kenobi is never called out in-universe for this very serious war crime in the Clone Wars, and in fact he and Anakin repeat it in Clone Wars Season 7.
General "fake surrender" Kenobi from that other star franchise has entered the chat.
Strangely enough Kenobi is never called out in-universe for this very serious war crime in the Clone Wars, and in fact he and Anakin repeat it in Clone Wars Season 7.Discussed upthread!
What I am saying is that it is not clear that the Federation and Klingons would be considered in a state of de-facto conflict, as described by Spock as "70 years of unremitting hostility" vs a state of declared war.
You do not need to be in a state of declared war for there to be warcrimes, merely a state of armed hostility or conflict.
Star Trek's warfare rules don't correspond with real world ones anyway. Pretty sure in Discovery Starfleet laid bombs on Klingon bodies to kill the Klingons retrieving them, which is a real life war crime.
General "fake surrender" Kenobi from that other star franchise has entered the chat.
I think they really don't see the droids as equals or worth anything.
General Whorm Loathsom wasn't a droid.
Kurge was either a spy pretending to be a pirate or a pirate pretending to be a spy.
As a pirate, he's a criminal, and laws mean nothing.
As a spy, the empire means everything, and law still means nothing.
The Klingons knew what he was doing and did not disavow him.
Ambassador Sarek : Your vessel did destroy the USS Grissom, your men did kill Kirk's son. Do you deny these events?
Klingon Ambassador : We deny nothing. We have the right to preserve our race.
Ambassador Sarek : You have the right to commit murder?
So yeah, the Klingons knew he was there, knew what he was doing and knowingly did commit an act of war.
As far as the Enterprise-E's role in the Dominion War....
I remember DS9 fans speculated Picard might have been in charge of the Third Fleet that is stated as protecting Earth in DS9's "Favor the Bold."
In that episode, Sisko proposes pulling a significant amount of Starfleet's resources away from other fronts to retake Deep Space Nine. One of the concerns of the admiralty is the precarious position it will leave Earth if the Dominion doesn't commit its forces to defending Deep Space Nine and the wormhole. Admiral Ross asserts Earth will still be defended by the Third Fleet, but if the Dominion were to launch an all-out assault against the Sol System, the fall of Earth would be likely.
I remember DS9 fans speculated Picard might have been in charge of the Third Fleet that is stated as protecting Earth in DS9's "Favor the Bold."
In that episode, Sisko proposes pulling a significant amount of Starfleet's resources away from other fronts to retake Deep Space Nine. One of the concerns of the admiralty is the precarious position it will leave Earth if the Dominion doesn't commit its forces to defending Deep Space Nine and the wormhole. Admiral Ross asserts Earth will still be defended by the Third Fleet, but if the Dominion were to launch an all-out assault against the Sol System, the fall of Earth would be likely.
Disregard for the rules and laws of war do not give the other side a free pass to likewise do the same.
What the hell happened to the Organian treaty?
It was supposed to last one hundred years.
It's possible that they could only fuck with each other because Kirk was not working for the Federation, and Kurge was not working for the Empire.
Civilian yahoos!
Chang was working for an alliance of Humans and Romulans and Klingons technically, so he was free to fire on Kronos 1 and the Enterprise without his controls becoming super hot to the touch.
There was a Sovereign wing in "Operation Return" and it stands to reason the E-E was there also.
Insurrection takes place during a relative lul in the fighting between the retaking of DS9 and the Invasion of Chintoka..so its possible the Enterprise was dispatched to other duties during that time.
It was inconvenient, so was ignored after TOS.
Though Kirk is also not exactly a lawful combatant!
That was months later.
Kirk could only suspect if Kurge was under Orders to steal Genesis.
He didn't know if Kurge was a spy, a soldier or a pirate.
