Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x07 - "Dominion"
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I must not have not been listening clearly enough.
This is a war crime and has been for decades - no idea where you get the strange idea it's acceptable in "modern warfare".
Huh? The changelings aren't against using transporters. We even see some beam in from the Intrepid to help catch Jack.
It was Ro that was against using the transporter because of several suspicious transporter accidents recently.
Oh yeah, in their first encounter Seven vaporized that one's arm with her first shot, but then the next few were ineffective as it disappeared into the wall. There are also the four Jack killed in "Imposters". Seems like phaser effectiveness is based on plot requirements, particularly if their status as Changelings needs to be confirmed post mortem.
I not sure if there is more to this scene, than they let on at the time.
It seemed strange to have a private conversation were she could hear them
So I’m a little confused about the DSC-era Vulcan ship T’Plana seen in this episode, and the Chin’toka ‘scrapyard.’
So first, the only explanation given for the free-floating tons of wreckage the Titan is hiding around is that it’s the ‘Chin’toka scrapyard.’ Chin’toka was the site of two battles seen on screen during the Dominion war between Starfleet and Jem’Hadar forces. The implication here is that this wreckage is the remains of Starfleet and Dominion ships from those battles. But then it should have been more accurately called a battle grave site, not a scrapyard. ‘Scrapyard’ implies something like Qualor II, where ships and wreckage were brought to a yard for storage or parts reuse, and overseen by a yard crew.This is just random wreckage flying all over the place. And the other question: just what was a Vulcan derelict ship doing there? It seems to be part of the free-floating wreckage, implying it fought in those battles decades ago. It also seems to be the only relatively intact ship there. It’s questionable why it would have participated in the battles in the first place, but why would Vadic have assumed it was still operational and chasing after the Titan? The only thing I can think of is that the ship was there because of Tuvok, but he wasn’t aboard it. None of these ‘scrapyard’ scenes seem to make any sense.
So first, the only explanation given for the free-floating tons of wreckage the Titan is hiding around is that it’s the ‘Chin’toka scrapyard.’ Chin’toka was the site of two battles seen on screen during the Dominion war between Starfleet and Jem’Hadar forces. The implication here is that this wreckage is the remains of Starfleet and Dominion ships from those battles. But then it should have been more accurately called a battle grave site, not a scrapyard. ‘Scrapyard’ implies something like Qualor II, where ships and wreckage were brought to a yard for storage or parts reuse, and overseen by a yard crew.This is just random wreckage flying all over the place. And the other question: just what was a Vulcan derelict ship doing there? It seems to be part of the free-floating wreckage, implying it fought in those battles decades ago. It also seems to be the only relatively intact ship there. It’s questionable why it would have participated in the battles in the first place, but why would Vadic have assumed it was still operational and chasing after the Titan? The only thing I can think of is that the ship was there because of Tuvok, but he wasn’t aboard it. None of these ‘scrapyard’ scenes seem to make any sense.
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I got the impression, they set it up like both ships disabled each other?
Under the laws of war if an enemy combatant is contained but is still a threat, reasonably able to inflict mortal injury and damage and unwilling to surrender it is legal to kill them. That is exactly the case of Vadic.
it only becomes a war crime when an enemy is surrendered, unarmed, unable to resist and poses no threat.
Then the only thing that makes sense in context was that the Titan crew were using a fake Vulcan ship just like the Changelings were using a fake Tuvok. But the chances of finding an intact Vulcan ship in that wreckage would have been astronomical. It was kind of a silly metaphor, if that was the case.
The needs of the drama outweigh the needs of verisimilitude. Star Trek—since 1966.
TOS, DS9, DISCO.
Early TNG is the outlier here. To my mind, STAR TREK is optimistic, not "utopian," and, as god-like aliens like to remind us, humans are still a half-savage child race with a long way ago. Society progresses, with occasional backsliding, while human nature is still a blend of positive and negative traits (as seen in "The Enemy Within").
The best thing Q ever did was kick Picard and Co in the shins for their arrogant "we're evolved and awesome" stance in Q Who. It was all an act because the Federation couldn't be beat, and was in relative peace. Again, easy to say you're enlightened when you can beat down anyone who tries to take away your cushiony lifestyle.
Something, something, Covid restrictions and Applebees being closed....
Something, something, Covid restrictions and Applebees being closed....
And ENT was as wild and woolly as they came. No Prime Directive. Little consistency in the lead heroes' behavior other than "try to do good and avoid any intentional harm." Tension between the human crew and the Vulcan assigned to accompany them.
Plus Earth post-Xindi probe attack was probably as xenophobic and intolerant as it had been in a couple of generations.
Plus Earth post-Xindi probe attack was probably as xenophobic and intolerant as it had been in a couple of generations.
Star Trek has always been about exploring the human condition and the human experience. Aliens are used to explore those traits and those experiences. Some are friends and some are villains as foils.
Earth in the future is a post scarcity world which allows humans to explore the boundaries of human existence and generally doesn’t have the same societal pressures that are the genesis of crimes and wrongs..but that doesn’t change human nature.
The bulk of Star Trek represents humans as flawed and making daily choices to be better
Earth in the future is a post scarcity world which allows humans to explore the boundaries of human existence and generally doesn’t have the same societal pressures that are the genesis of crimes and wrongs..but that doesn’t change human nature.
The bulk of Star Trek represents humans as flawed and making daily choices to be better
Strange an intact ship was just left abandoned for decades and never recovered for repair. Convenient for the episode I suppose.
Probably booty trapped.
Pun intended?
Yeah that was a popular opinion 10 years ago, but these days even die-hard anti-Apple humans are going for iDroids, because they can no longer be bothered with rooting and side-loading on their Soong-type androids. Now that they have kids and the like, they just don't have time for that.
