We saw like 6 of them in season 2. It will only just be over 30 years old by this time.
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There was a bunch of them is season 2.
Also how long was the Miranda running for.
True, but that doesn't mean they will outclass the Titan, Intrepid, or other ships in the current era.
Like the Excelsior or Miranda class... they were around for almost a century, but they definitely didn't outshine a Nebula, Galaxy, Intrepid, etc.
Like the Excelsior or Miranda class... they were around for almost a century, but they definitely didn't outshine a Nebula, Galaxy, Intrepid, etc.
The Titan was already more advanced during NEM's time. Now it's the nuTitan 2.5, so it would definitely outclass a Sovereign.
"Mystery box" storytelling must die. Holding back important information, like an entire major character's motivation", until the season is almost over is just poor writing.
I’m sure the Soveriegn’s would have been refitted as well.
Like Shaw said, the Titan is an exploratory vessel while they are more designed for tactical situations.
Agreed. I still use a lot of old phrases with my teen and child clients which is fun with them. My personal favorite, and one I used this week, was this old song:
"Nobody loves; everybody hates me; guess I'll go eat worms."
Surprisingly, had a couple of teens know that song.
Also got to use "beware the ides of March" this week too.
As a counterpoint however, in “Broken Link” when Odo is made human and Bashir is scanning him, he is stunned to be reading a heart, lungs, etc. I think even within DS9 there was conflicting information on what changelings could actually do.
Because Odo never attempted to mimic a human's complete anatomy and arguably couldn't do it even if he tried. Odo couldn't eat or smell, he couldn't create a convincing face. etc. Odo was deficient, other changelings were not.
There's no conflicting information at all, the show is extremely consistent. Changelings in disguise scan as the thing they're imitating. Full stop.
Sure but that doesn't mean they're actually creating organs.
Yes, it does. That's what "imitating" means.
Perfect copies that cannot be detected are perfect copies.
Please stop.
That's rather unnecessary, come on.
This is such a nice thread...shame if something happened to it 
That was extremely restrained given the silliness of the argument.
I think we have to distinguish here.
A changeling can imitate on sight.
Doesn’t mean they have an exact knowledge of that person’s inside.
Odo never knew what the inside of a person looks like, let alone in a molecular level.
So he never imitated that.
more experienced changelings, especially as part of the great link would have vast knowledge of general anatomies and inner workings of things.
Now, Odo was able to mimicking rocks and rigid things probably better than living organisms on a molecular level.
Where all you need to know is the atomic structure and you’re good.
But imitating organs and individual cells which are in turn made up of very complex interacting protein and amino acid machineries is getting tricky.
Eventually a Changeling’s ability to mimicking the very specific and nano scale will reach it’s limits and I feel that’s where you have to scan to catch them.
Obviously that is harder to do and may even be impractical for magical tricorders.
A changeling can imitate on sight.
Doesn’t mean they have an exact knowledge of that person’s inside.
Odo never knew what the inside of a person looks like, let alone in a molecular level.
So he never imitated that.
more experienced changelings, especially as part of the great link would have vast knowledge of general anatomies and inner workings of things.
Now, Odo was able to mimicking rocks and rigid things probably better than living organisms on a molecular level.
Where all you need to know is the atomic structure and you’re good.
But imitating organs and individual cells which are in turn made up of very complex interacting protein and amino acid machineries is getting tricky.
Eventually a Changeling’s ability to mimicking the very specific and nano scale will reach it’s limits and I feel that’s where you have to scan to catch them.
Obviously that is harder to do and may even be impractical for magical tricorders.
So, you're saying Changeling's need practice to change?
If anything Odo's appearance throughout all of DS9 showed that to be the case; that yes Changelings did need to practice the forms that they wanted to mimic.
Some good arguments. But Odo's inability to mimic wasn't simply because he didn't "know anything about" anatomy. Clearly, he spent tons of time among humanoids and could have learned.
But, more importantly, it's clear the UFP (among others) was NEVER able to detect changelings by scanning. It's exactly why they created the blood screening (which, BTW, also never worked, though most people forget that) along with "phaser sweeps." If they could just adjust scanners/tricorders, then all those storylines would never work.
And, let's remember that it wasn't just the UFP that was infiltrated at a high-level, it was the Klingon and Romulan Empires, as well (at least! Those are just the examples we have in actual episodes.) So across the entire galaxy, no one was able to just put a changeling under a microscope, no matter how sophisticated, and detect them.
For storytelling purposes, changelings were undetectable through normal means. Which is why numerous episodes and plotlines were developed specifically about how the heroes tried to combat those changelings abilities.
There's no wiggle room. There's no need to invent additional, unmentioned magical changeling abilities about "tricking scanners." Let's all just accept the writers very clearly stated intentions. And also acknowledge that, gee whiz, twenty plus years later, some new writers goofed.
I disagree, because Sovereign Class Starship, even in NEM era has better weapons equipped if compared to Titan A. You should be aware that Titan A doesn't has Phaser Array, like Sovereign, while Sovereign is equipped with 2 of them. Another thing is that Sovereign is also equipped with a more advanced Quantum Torpedoes, while Titan A has only Photon one.
So even if Titan A has more advanced technologies compared to Sovereign, they still outclassed by Sovereign. I also doubt that Titan A can even be compared to Galaxy Class; simply because both Sovereign and Galaxy have and can have bigger weapons than Titan A.
Even the Female Changeling - the leader of the Dominion - could do no better than Odo when it came to humanoid faces. Clearly it was an enormous hurdle for their morphogenic matrix to overcome.