Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x05 - "Imposters"

[Orac Zen]

I like the character but he seems mentally unstable and totally unsuited to the captain's position. Early on this season some were comparing him to Jellico but I'm failing to see the connection - Jellico didn't dissolve into fits of childishness immaturity for example.

Agreed. Untreated / well hidden / triggered by Picard's presence PTSD or not (and if it is untreated / hidden it doesn't say much for Starfleet psychologists / counsellors), he comes across as being too unstable and immature to be a starship captain. Given his issues with the Borg, requesting Seven as his first officer (as was apparently the case) also makes zero sense. But the mileage of others varies.

She had more to do and more character development before the credits of episode one than she had had in all the TNG movies combined. Shocking.

Indeed. But given Beverly was basically nothing more than mobile set decoration in the TNG movies, almost anything would have been an improvement. Her appearances hardly even qualified as cameos.

 

[cooleddie74]

She did more in the Deleted Scene from NEM that referenced Zefram Cochrane being the origin of the "Where no man has gone before" speech than she likely did in the rest of the movie.

 

[Crewman6]

Well according to this episode they eventually made scanners that could, so these new changelings had to adapt even further.

I would have been fine if that was what the episode actually said.

But, once again(!), it's not. Riker said "changelings couldn't duplicate internal physiology." Referring to PAST events. Which is wrong and not consistent at all with established canon.

Allow me to quote from DS9:

EDDINGTON
I wish the internal sensors were on-
line. It'd make it a lot easier to
track down the changeling.

ODO
I'm not sure sensors would help. If
you scan me when I'm a rock, you'd
detect a rock. I may not be able to
duplicate a humanoid perfectly, but
I'm guessing he can.

BASHIR
(confirming)
When we scanned "Ambassador Krajensky"
for tetryon particles, he registered
as human.

KIRA
Then right now the changeling could
be anything or anyone on this ship.

 

[fireproof78]

I just keep going back to this line, "You're too late; we're everywhere."

Of course, wouldn't mind seeing some Allamorphs or Chameloids either.

 

[Mike Doyle]

I just keep going back to this line, "You're too late; we're everywhere."

Of course, wouldn't mind seeing some Allamorphs or Chameloids either.

All of the Chameloids we’ve seen have been smokers. So’s Vadik.

 

[Tuskin38]

But, once again(!), it's not. Riker said "changelings couldn't duplicate internal physiology." Referring to PAST events. Which is wrong and not consistent at all with established canon.

Nothing in your quote says they could detect organs.

 

[Deks]

It's always been hand-wavy why Star Trek SPACE MAGIC technology can't immediately identify changelings.

But you accept it for the story.

Given what we've seen SF sensors and Tricorder's overall capabilities, there is no real reason for why they couldn't be modified to detect Changelings while they are mimicking other things or people.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Ensign LaForge seemed to find time to get her hair done in the middle of the episode. Maybe Mr Mott is aboard somewhere!

It’s a wig.

 

[Mr Awe]

"Phased" as in "fazed" (i.e. brain fart typo). Yeah, it did nothing for me. Everyone is all over Twitter saying how much of a tear-jerker it was. I guess Ro just wasn't that kind of character for me.

I didn't really care for her character back on TNG. But I thought her scenes, the conversations with Picard, and her death were excellently done in this episode. A nice addition to this season!

 

[Yistaan]

The issue, however, is that Terry Matalas, show-runner for Picard, has stated that Vadic has a specific vendetta against Picard and the Federation, so there must be a hidden mysterious link there somewhere. Matalas also revealed that Vadic's motivations are rooted in ‘sympathetic reasons,’ and that when audiences learn of what motivates her actions they will likely feel she has a point. -- https://gamerant.com/star-trek-picard-who-is-captain-vadic/

So what has the Fed done to get the changelings so angered? And whatever it is, Odo seems to be cool with it as he's stated as not joining Vadic's faction obviously. And I find it hard to believe anything in TNG that Picard specifically did affected changelings directly.

 

[The Master of Tarquin Hill]

IDIC does not mean all members of a species should have the same motivations.

Can there be a heretical use of IDIC... ? Isn't it a good w/ the bad and all of the grey in between kind of thing?

 

[Noname Given]

Well, if anything the evolutionary changeling trait is probably their ability to retain the last form they assumed prior to death. During the DS9 series era, Changelings would revert to liquid when unconscious, or some type of black, sandy material when they died.

 

[Crewman6]

Given what we've seen SF sensors and Tricorder's overall capabilities, there is no real reason for why they couldn't be modified to detect Changelings while they are mimicking other things or people.

Except they couldn't. At least not back in the day. If you want to say, "hey, we now have better capabilities and can detect changelings NOW," fine. As I've said now, countless times.

But you can't say, "oh, changelings never worked that way," because it's wrong. And, back during DS9's run, you absolutely couldn't discover changelings that way. Because the show couldn't have existed the way it did if you could have.

Nothing in your quote says they could detect organs.

Dear god, please tell me you're joking.

BASHIR
(confirming)
When we scanned "Ambassador Krajensky"
for tetryon particles, he registered
as human.

 

[Crewman6]

I just keep going back to this line, "You're too late; we're everywhere."

Of course, wouldn't mind seeing some Allamorphs or Chameloids either.

That would just confuse the issue.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I don’t think the pacifist thing made it into the show. Was a comedy trailer bit.

Or Worf actually telling a joke.

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[fireproof78]

That would just confuse the issue.

Maybe. Or would it make it more awesome?

 

[gvn2fly]

Except they couldn't. At least not back in the day. If you want to say, "hey, we now have better capabilities and can detect changelings NOW," fine. As I've said now, countless times.

But you can't say, "oh, changelings never worked that way," because it's wrong. And, back during DS9's run, you absolutely couldn't discover changelings that way. Because the show couldn't have existed the way it did if you could have.



Dear god, please tell me you're joking.

BASHIR
(confirming)
When we scanned "Ambassador Krajensky"
for tetryon particles, he registered
as human.

So for him to have registered as human in that DS9 example, presumably he had blood and organs that the tricorder would have registered to make the determination that he was human. How else would he have registered as human if he was goo on the inside? Well, if we take Beverly's comment at face value and try to incorporate that into DS9 then they had some other way of tricking the sensors. May be a small goof by the writers. We can always head canon it away...maybe the changelings were able to trick the sensors some other way? Or maybe Beverly was just wrong?

 

[Tuskin38]

BASHIR
(confirming)
When we scanned "Ambassador Krajensky"
for tetryon particles, he registered
as human.

And? no mention of organs. They could be mimicking life signs some other way.

 

[The Master of Tarquin Hill]

How about they are less evolved?

Cousins who developmentally split off from the main bunch half a million years ago?

If they were trying to get some where sublight, or went through a wormhole, or got stuck in a singularity, or just went into stasis to weather some apocalypse, these could be the Changelings from before they founded the Dominion?

Evolution does not occur quickly.

Founders can't evolve, because they do not lose bad traits each generation, and it can be argued that they do not have generations.

I have been suggesting intentionally de-evolved, but I like species split too.

 

[The Master of Tarquin Hill]

Eh, the term "Mid-Atlantic" changed over the decades. I distinctly remember as a kid leaning the "Mid-Atlantic states" were the parts of the Northeast south of New England (So NY, NY, PA, sometimes MD and DE, though they were still sometimes called South Atlantic).

Mid-Atlantic now seems to mean the area right around DC.

I have lived in MD all of my life and have never thought of mid-Atlantic as anything other than Delaware, Maryland and, Virginia or DMV.