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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x05 - "Imposters"

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In the same vein I can picture John Harriman in school in the late 23rd century devouring every public story about Kirk and his Enterprise. Giant green space hand grabs his ship? A planet where robed people with long metal tubes convert you into a brainwashed cult? Nazi planet? THIS GUY'S COOL!!! I wanna grow up and see cool stuff like these, too! Starfleet, here I come!
 
I wonder if the changelings used genetic engineering to have blood to test and the body morphing to take on the person they replaced so the security people and machines can't detect them.
 
TheMadCloner said:
So what are the betting odds on who is going to be the captain of the Enterprise when it finally shows up?

Tuvok?

Chakotay?

Harry Kim? :lol:
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We know it’s showing up at Frontier Day to be decommissioned. They may not show us who the captain is. Chances are it’ll be a new character
 
One of the kids we saw on TNG. Maybe that little girl who wanted to go up and give Picard flowers in the end of that episode....
 
GulBahana said:
Maybe Section 31 did an experiment on Jack to give him changeling senses.
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Maybe Beverly's outright a member of Section 31 herself. Disappearing for 20 years, cutting off friends, etc. Keep in mind she curiously has her own ship when even Picard and Riker seemingly do not. Maybe she made a deal with 31 in return for them helping her find Wesley, and Section 31 did a little tinkering with Jack when she wasn't looking.
 
I think the return of Ro is what really took this episode to another level for me. I wasn't expecting it, and it was great to see Michelle Forbes again. I also like that we got closure to the Picard/Ro relationship, and this is the second most powerful conversation this season, after Picard and Crusher.
If you are going to rip Picard a new one, have characters that the audience know, maybe like, but most importantly perhaps understand where they are coming from doing the ripping. I feel that the trendy decision to deconstruct Picard starting in Season 1, a la The Last Jedi, didn't work for me in part because there was little build up, and some of his detractors were characters new the franchise ripping into a guy I had spent years and hours looking at, and that's one of the reasons him being considered a failure, him considering himself a failure, and him apologizing too much didn't have the same emotional punch as
seeing him converse with Crusher, Riker, and Ro this season
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I was sort of thinking that Ro wasn't going to make it out of this episode, but I thought her finale could've been handled better. I wasn't sure if she had enough control of the shuttle, and if she did, why didn't she move it away from both starships? Even if Changelings are in control of the Intrepid (was sort of hoping Harry Kim or someone we knew was the captain before things went south), there's got to be hundreds of innocents aboard as well, and crashing a shuttle into one of their nacelles could've blown up the ship. But I did love how they went back to Ro's earring to prove that not only had she not lost her faith, but that she also was using it to store information on the conspiracy. It was another nice surprise that she was Worf's handler. I was halfway expecting Garak, or even Bashir, but making it Ro was a nice touch.

I thought the Worf/Raffi scenes weren't that great this week.
I liked the Vulcan gangster, and how he was logically criminal, but making Worf and Raffi fight to the death felt contrived, and like a time waster.
I still do like Worf and Raffi together, and it's like Worf is the father figure Raffi has really needed all this time.

I wasn't the biggest fan of Shaw this weekend. A lot of his jibes didn't work this week, and I feel they were designed to bring him over to the light.
While I thought the Jack murder scenes were well done, and well-acted on the part of Jack, I hope they don't keep dragging the mystery surrounding him out.
I would rather they put it out there, and then have the heroes do something about it. I think that would hopefully free up more legacy character interactions.

So far, I feel like this week's episode both moved things along while standing in place at the same time.
Halfway through the season already and no Geordi.
I hope we get Geordi next week. And I'm hoping that O'Brien, Keiko, Barclay, Pulaski, and Jellico are in this season as well.
With all the shout outs to Janeway, I can't see them not bringing Kate Mulgrew on at some point.

While I did appreciate seeing another Picard-era starship this week, I'm still not sold on the Picard-era designs. While DISCO's first season designs looked too futuristic for the time period, I liked them from a creative standpoint more. Seems like Matalas prefers bigger, bulkier looking ships.
 
Yistaan said:
Maybe Beverly's outright a member of Section 31 herself. Disappearing for 20 years, cutting off friends, etc. Keep in mind she curiously has her own ship when even Picard and Riker seemingly do not. Maybe she made a deal with 31 in return for them helping her find Wesley, and Section 31 did a little tinkering with Jack when she wasn't looking.
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I'm thinking Beverly might be a Changeling, or she experimented with Changeling DNA to create Jack, or perhaps to cure him from some illness.

Also,

After this week's episode, I don't see why they couldn't have used the parasites from "Conspiracy." I've read that Matalas said that they kill their hosts (though I recall that was never established in "Conspiracy," but if he's the showrunner now then that's all that matters on that).
However, if the Changelings are evolving, then the parasites could've evolved to not kill their hosts this time.
I think the parasites are more germane to TNG, and have less development, so there's more to play with. Though it is neat that PIC is bringing back the Changelings after DS9 novels once made the parasites their big bad.
 
thribs said:
the top of the nose didn’t have those distinctive dents
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If you mean the two ridges above the eyebrow, she didn't have those any more by the time of Pre-Emptive Strike.

gvn2fly said:
That's exactly what seven said..that it started being done after the dominion war.
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Yes, they started the protocol since the war...but the conversation is about how Changelings supposedly only mimic the exterior.

 
DarKush said:
I'm thinking Beverly might be a Changeling, or she experimented with Changeling DNA to create Jack, or perhaps to cure him from some illness.

Also,

After this week's episode, I don't see why they couldn't have used the parasites from "Conspiracy." I've read that Matalas said that they kill their hosts (though I recall that was never established in "Conspiracy," but if he's the showrunner now then that's all that matters on that).
However, if the Changelings are evolving, then the parasites could've evolved to not kill their hosts this time.
I think the parasites are more germane to TNG, and have less development, so there's more to play with. Though it is neat that PIC is bringing back the Changelings after DS9 novels once made the parasites their big bad.
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Furthermore Admiral Quinn didn't die when the head scorpion was killed, so scorpions killing hosts wasn't a hard rule even in Conspiracy.

And if killing the victims is what Matalas is quibbling about, are all these Starfleet officers who were replaced in some Dominion camp like Bashir and Martok were? Because all the vibes I'm getting so far is that the changelings kill the originals, and they are shown to have done that to the Titan transporter officer. So, from what we've seen of his changelings so far, it makes no sense to be quibbling about scorpions killing hosts if Matalas' changelings basically do the same.
 
Well, second 9 in a row, and I was actually tempted to go with a ten!

So the changeling pretty much become human to fool the sensors, but I think this is also a double edged sword: they become as weak as humans and can’t fight by drastically changing shape…this explains how they were overwhelmed so easily.
Side note: blood tests were already proved unreliable during the war, it’s surprising anyone still relies on those.

I didn’t expect Ro to be back (and didn’t recognise her at first), I think her arc in this episode worlds really well. While I expected her two security officers to be changelings from the start I wasn’t sure about her until the end of the holodeck scene.

Nice how the two plots are coming together. I didn’t expect for a second Worf to die, but my girlfriend thought he had.

A Vulcan gangster…felt illogical at first but he rapidly grew on me!

Jack has surely something very wrong going on.

Shaw seemed truly scared and out of his dept at the end, he got it together eventually but he’s probably going to be a liability. I’m starting to understand him and he’s a fascinating character, a very different kind of captain than what we’re used to but a kind that is bound to exist. He just wants to do his job comfortably, no big heroics, no great dangers. Perfect captain for the kind of ship this Titan seems to be (not a frontier one) in peacetime, but definitely not for the current situation. Either he’ll have to adapt or things will get dire.

I can’t wait for next episode…which I won’t have time to watch until Sunday at best this time, unfortunately!
 
Tosk said:
If you mean the two ridges above the eyebrow, she didn't have those any more by the time of Pre-Emptive Strike.

Yes, they started the protocol since the war...but the conversation is about how Changelings supposedly only mimic the exterior.
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The ridges were still very faded. At a distance her nose just looked human
 
Anyone here read Klingon? I'm curious what the writing on Martok's skull says.
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(I know it's not supposed to actually be Martok, but that's clearly a picture of the Confed-timeline Martok skull prop.)
 
jackoverfull said:
Shaw seemed truly scared and out of his dept at the end, he got it together eventually but he’s probably going to be a liability. I’m starting to understand him and he’s a fascinating character, a very different kind of captain than what we’re used to but a kind that is bound to exist. He just wants to do his job comfortably, no big heroics, no great dangers. Perfect captain for the kind of ship this Titan seems to be (not a frontier one) in peacetime, but definitely not for the current situation. Either he’ll have to adapt or things will get dire.
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The thing is, Shaw had to have fought in the Dominion War as he was already in Starfleet as of the Battle of Wolf 359. And he knows enough about changelings, presumably from the war, to give Seven a crash course on them as she was in the Delta Quadrant at the time. So even if he has no desire to leave peacetime mode, presumably he has some kind of background in warfare in him.
 
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