Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x05 - "Imposters"

[The Master of Tarquin Hill]

There was never any indication there was more than one changeling aboard the Titan, and if there were why didn't they attack Shaw and Seven en masse?

Wasn't it Ro that ordered the transfer?

 

[The Master of Tarquin Hill]

Yeah, I liked it. I get kind of annoyed with the assumption of a Vulcan monolith. I imagine, like with any religion, people can justify anything with "logic." Human people do.

And what about Sybok? I mean, DSC had a prison for naughty Vulcans.

 

[Blip]

Wasn't it Ro that ordered the transfer?

She ordered the transfer of personnel from Titan to Intrepid, not vice versa.

 

[thribs]

Since when did La Forge have time to get a drastically different hair style? She’s a Changeling.

 

[Crewman6]

Apparently, not until the sensors were calibrated to look for Changeling material.

That doesn't make any sense. They would have always been looking, they would have been desperate to "calibrate" to find changeling material. Now, if they said they made advancements in sensor tech recently that could SOMEHOW work on changelings now, maybe I could buy it. But they didn't and it is yet another piece of stupidity on the part of these writers.

 

[fireproof78]

But they didn't and it is yet another piece of stupidity on the part of these writers.

Ohhh...you're not allow to say that about the great RoddenTerry!


*puts a YATI pin in his Terry voodoo doll*

 

[Weyoun 251]

We did get Picard stating that Frontier Day is Starfleet's anniversary. Which takes me back to wondering what year it actually is.

It was supposed to be the launch of the NX-01.

Take it as being shorthand - they probably consider the launch of NX-01 to be the true start of Starfleet as it is when UE came onto the galactic stage

 

[eschaton]

The blood tests on DS9 worked not because the changelings didn't have blood inside them when in a humanoid form, but because they didn't have any ability to keep a small part of themselves separated from their body morphed.

However the changelings are doing it now, they're clearly much more limited in terms of morphing and the like. I'm guessing they couldn't do an inanimate object or a non-humanoid at all. The upside of this is they can bleed normally (and their bodies maintain form for hours after death) since they're more "locked in," But the downside is that while simulating a humanoid they have all of the same weaknesses a person would have.

 

[Seven of Five]

Another good episode this week! This season is really keeping me rolling in with all of the tension and surprises. Good idea for the producers to revisit the idea of Changeling paranoia.

The appearance of the Vulcan gangster made me smile. I can't wait to see Worf meet up with the Titan!

It was a great surprise to see Ro, but the supercharged emotion in her and Picard's scene when she began interrogating was something else! It was good seeing her back in Starfleet again, even if it led to her demise.

What is going on with Jack?

 

[The Master of Tarquin Hill]

She ordered the transfer of personnel from Titan to Intrepid, not vice versa.

Yes, exactly what I thought.

 

[Romulan_spy]

They "evolved??" Uh, no, the writers fucked up. Riker says, "Surely changelings can't copy an entire person's internal anatomy, just their appearance!"

And everyone else nods along.

OF COURSE changelings copy the entirety of a person, down to the subatomic level. Otherwise, every single internal sensor or tricorder or transporter would be able to detect them.

This is explicitly stated in dialogue in Trek. Odo says, "If you scan me when I'm a rock, you'll detect a rock."

Changelings wouldn't be able to infiltrate a five-year-old's birthday party if their imitations were only surface deep. No one would need blood screenings, you'd just need any one of the quadrillion sensors that are installed on every single bit of Fed technology in existence.

I still there is a difference. It's why the VFX of the goo looks like raw meat now instead of the liquid gold in DS9. My guess is these changelings are a sort of hybrid, half-changeling, half-solid. It would explain Bev's comments about "evolution". These changelings are "evolved" where they are part organic now. And that is why they are better at fooling blood tests, since they are part organic now, not just imitating solids.

Basically, you are right that changelings could always mimic the entire person, inside and out. But if I am right, the difference is that these changelings actually are part organic now, not just imitating organics.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Take it as being shorthand - they probably consider the launch of NX-01 to be the true start of Starfleet as it is when UE came onto the galactic stage

Yeah, they seem not to put too much effort into lining dates up.

Even if there was an "alliance" (or Coalition) Starfleet based on what we saw in S4 of ENT, that would be 2154-2155 at the earliest. Or else the true Federation SF, which would be no earlier than 2161.

 

[The Master of Tarquin Hill]

The blood tests on DS9 worked not because the changelings didn't have blood inside them when in a humanoid form, but because they didn't have any ability to keep a small part of themselves separated from their body morphed.

However the changelings are doing it now, they're clearly much more limited in terms of morphing and the like. I'm guessing they couldn't do an inanimate object or a non-humanoid at all. The upside of this is they can bleed normally (and their bodies maintain form for hours after death) since they're more "locked in," But the downside is that while simulating a humanoid they have all of the same weaknesses a person would have.

The weird part about the autopsy to me was that Bev said they had no DNA. Who needs a blood sample when you can scan somebody and find no DNA...

 

[fireproof78]

I still there is a difference. It's why the VFX of the goo looks like raw meat now instead of the liquid gold in DS9. My guess is these changelings are a sort of hybrid, half-changeling, half-solid. It would explain Bev's comments about "evolution". These changelings are "evolved" where they are part organic now. And that is why they are better at fooling blood tests, since they are part organic now, not just imitating solids.

Basically, you are right that changelings could always mimic the entire person, inside and out. But if I am right, the difference is that these changelings actually are part organic now, not just imitating organics.

I'll be more inclined to find issue with these changelings at the end depending on the explanation given for their motivation.

 

[Gepard]

5. They've mentioned Janeway twice this season. There's no way she doesn't appear by the end, hopefully bringing in the Cavalry.

I'd love that. Janeway may be an unstable lunatic, but I've always kinda liked her.*

*Well, Kate Mulgrew.

 

[The Master of Tarquin Hill]

I still there is a difference. It's why the VFX of the goo looks like raw meat now instead of the liquid gold in DS9. My guess is these changelings are a sort of hybrid, half-changeling, half-solid. It would explain Bev's comments about "evolution". These changelings are "evolved" where they are part organic now. And that is why they are better at fooling blood tests, since they are part organic now, not just imitating solids.

Basically, you are right that changelings could always mimic the entire person, inside and out. But if I am right, the difference is that these changelings actually are part organic now, not just imitating organics.

I don't know if it was in this thread or another but I said I wonder if some changelings were intentionally "de-evolved" instead of the bio-mass being a new ability.

 

[Lord Garth]

That doesn't mean Worf is "Cursed" that any woman he loves will die.

Reagan broke the Curse of Tippecanoe
Nemesis broke the Even/Odd Curse
.
.
.
Raffi will break the Worf's Romantic Partner Curse

Troi dodged it by getting out while she still could, and thus survived unlike in the AGT Future.

 

[Weyoun 251]

Yeah, they seem not to put too much effort into lining dates up.

Even if there was an "alliance" (or Coalition) Starfleet based on what we saw in S4 of ENT, that would be 2154-2155 at the earliest. Or else the true Federation SF, which would be no earlier than 2161.

I meant more that Picard and other members of Starfleet might consider the NX's launch to be the birth of Starfleet - people aren't that precise generally so makes sense that they might speak more colloquially.

Or could be a "branding" thing whereby the Fed chose that due to Archer's importance (maybe when he was President they started celebrating it in his honour?) and it just stuck

 

[tenmei]

Well, the release on Paramount Plus UK didn't last long. I watched it this morning. Housemate just home and it's been pulled

 

[PR109]

Great episode even if Ro laren's death crushed me but I'm glad she was able to die an honorable death. In the eyes of Guinan, her death would be meaningful and not "empty" like Tasha Yar's.