Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x05 - "Imposters"

[gvn2fly]

Also does Picard feel all the Maquis should be locked up? Or is it just his bitterness at Ro specifically? Otherwise he and Seven should have a talk about all those Maquis that Janeway let into Starfleet...

It reminded me of a Sisko/Eddington situation. Picard was her mentor. From his point of view she turned her back on HIM.

 

[Tomalak]

Again, I’m enjoying this season quite a bit but I don’t really think it’s that different than what we’ve gotten since 2017. I think the key differences are: a lot more legacy characters, lots of Federation starships and LCARS.

Yeah, that's where I'm coming from too. I don't think it's starkly different from the first season in content or tone, but I enjoyed that first season too.

 

[Campe]

Yeah, that's where I'm coming from too. I don't think it's starkly different from the first season in content or tone, but I enjoyed that first season too.

Agreed.

 

[The Old Mixer]

or one grand gesture by Starfleet that destroys a super computer that underpinned a whole civilization and then warping away to leave the troubled planet to

a follow-up visit from the Cerritos.

 

[gvn2fly]

Your statement makes absolutely no sense .... so who don't know STAR TREK ... the writers or you.
You are nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking. And this time there is actually no reason for it at all

That's kind've his schtick and has been since Discovery premiered and will continue to be as long as there is new Star Trek. If it's not the old shows he will find something to complain about.

 

[fireproof78]

It reminded me of a Sisko/Eddington situation. Picard was her mentor. From his point of view she turned her back on HIM.

Which she did. He picked her and she left.

 

[gvn2fly]

What really baffles me is, this was produced and shot back-to-back with season 2, the season 2 that was (so I've read) garbled all to hell by COVID and other production problems. How did they pull this off?

And this season has a lot of the same writers. I think from what I saw on wikipedia and IMDB 7 of this season's writers also wrote episodes for season 2.

 

[James Cole]

Vulcan murdering criminal, with Vulcan murdering criminal henchmen? Not only no, but HELL no. Piss poor use of the species, and a heretical use of the IDIC.

It's an interesting look at nature vs nurture, and what would happen to young Vulcans that grew up on a non-Federation planet. People could fall through the cracks.

Are we sure these are Changelings? Or are they something else that can imitate them?

Very good point. Could solids become Changelings?

I was going to post a similar response. Seriously you can reduce plots to a sentence or 2 synopsis and have so many things sound the same but when you add the details, they are almost nothing alike.

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But the point really is that previously people have complained about how they hate stories where Starfleet is evil, or corrupt, or compromised, like PIC S1 and DSC S2, but it's clearly not as simple as that.

Early NuTrek suffered from Sheer Fucking Hubris(TM), to the point many glaring mistakes could have easily been caught if anyone cared to pay attention. Almost a bull in a china shop, especially with how characters were treated. 75% of PICARD season 1 is actually pretty good... it's the other 25% that drags it down via own goal after own goal. A highly serialized plot went through multiple lurches and massive reshoots. Spent a ton of money unnecessarily because they wanted to re-invent the wheel instead of having Berman era production people back.

 

[gvn2fly]

Something about Ro v. Picard didn't quite land for me. It's been a long time since I've seen Preemptive Strike, but wasn't her betrayal aimed more at Riker than Picard? As I recall, the later episodes with Ro were teasing a relationship between her and Riker.

Preemptive strike ended with Picard alone and upset at what Ro had done

 

[Spike730]

Boy, that bar set must‘ve cost a fortune considering how often an excuse is found to use it.

 

[Yistaan]

So what exactly was Ro's point in transferring the Titan crew to the Intrepid? To save their careers as she sends the Titan into fugitive mode? Yes she might save their careers but it's a possibility she's also doomed their lives. She just gave the Changelings more people to replace, and we still don't know what the Changelings have done to the originals, or if they outright killed them upon replacement.

"that time that someone threw the Prime Directive out the window so they could snog a villager on Ba'ku"

Wasn't the Prime Directive already being thrown out by Admiral Dougherty in the forced Ba'ku relocation and Picard just stopped it from happening? The only way Shaw can claim this is if he viewed the Son'a/Ba'ku feud as an internal matter due to being the same race, but Starfleet had already chosen the Son'a side before Picard came along.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

These Changelings are morons. They plant a time bomb on Ro's shuttle rather than vaporize her on the spot, giving her ample time to complicate their efforts to retrieve Jack. I can hear Odo quoting Quark calling them idiots.

 

[gvn2fly]

Well, I turned it off once it became clear that the writers of this show have no fucking clue how changelings work. I mean, I already knew that previously when they said the changeling infiltrators had to regenerate in a bucket (they don't, only Odo needed to do that.)

But, holy hell did they fuck up even worse tonight.

Nowhere in DS9 did it state ODO was the only changeling that needed to regenerate. Viewers may have assumed that, as did I, but there may be a limit to how long changelings can stay in a solid form. Not stated either way in DS9 so I think the Picard's writers had some leeway here.

 

[vulcancicada]

So what exactly was Ro's point in transferring the Titan crew to the Intrepid? To save their careers as she sends the Titan into fugitive mode? Yes she might save their careers but it's a possibility she's also doomed their lives. She just gave the Changelings more people to replace, and we still don't know what the Changelings have done to the originals, or if they outright killed them upon replacement.

"that time that someone threw the Prime Directive out the window so they could snog a villager on Ba'ku"

Wasn't the Prime Directive already being thrown out by Admiral Dougherty in the forced Ba'ku relocation and Picard just stopped it from happening? The only way Shaw can claim this is if he viewed the Son'a/Ba'ku feud as an internal matter due to being the same race, but Starfleet had already chosen the Son'a side before Picard came along.

I think it was to leave the titan with only a few people on it so they could warp off and save starfleet?

 

[Campe]

Early NuTrek suffered from Sheer Fucking Hubris(TM), to the point many glaring mistakes could have easily been caught if anyone cared to pay attention. Almost a bull in a china shop, especially with how characters were treated. 75% of PICARD season 1 is actually pretty good... it's the other 25% that drags it down via own goal after own goal. A highly serialized plot went through multiple lurches and massive reshoots. Spent a ton of money unnecessarily because they wanted to re-invent the wheel instead of having Berman era production people back.

Yeah, doesn’t change the fact that the tone is very much the same.

 

[thribs]

These Changelings are morons. They plant a time bomb on Ro's shuttle rather than vaporize her on the spot, giving her ample time to complicate their efforts to retrieve Jack. I can hear Odo quoting Quark calling them idiots.

These new powers must affect their mental abilities.

 

[Yistaan]

I think it was to leave the titan with only a few people on it so they could warp off and save starfleet?

Why does it only need a few people? She felt Shaw and/or Picard couldn't convince all of them?

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, doesn’t change the fact that the tone is very much the same.

Nope. The calls for Matalas to take over strikes me as asking for more of the same from the style of Discovery and Picard.

 

[gvn2fly]

Only other minor quibble is that they name dropped Janeway, but no one from the DS9 crew (obvious exception of Worf here). I'm assuming that Sisko still hasn't returned, but why not communicate with Bashir, O'Brien (another character originally form TNG), Kira, Dax? They proablay have the most experience dealing with shapeshifters.

There's no indication Picard knows those DS9 characters (other than O'Brien of course). But an Admiral in starfleet he knows and trusts makes the most sense.

 

[gvn2fly]

Greatly enjoyed this episode with the exception of the Raffi scenes. Of all the new Picard characters, why was she the one they had to bring back?

I didn't like the scenes this week much either, but I don't think Raffi was the problem