Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x04 - "No Win Scenario"

[Seven of Five]

I really enjoyed that again. The scene where Picard and Jack were just talking about their lives was a particular highlight. I also thought that Shaw showing why he'd been so standoffish with Picard was nicely done.

Then tension built throughout, as they were all trying to escape the nebula, and I liked the touch of the new life form that was created.

The framing device of the story flashing back to five years in the past when Picard was talking to the cadets.

I'm intrigued about what was going on with Jack at the end.

 

[Romulan_spy]

The energy waves were pretty self evident. Isn't it strange Noone thought about them until Jack Crusher ? Isn't this ship suposed have alot of specialists on board? Are they mainly young officers? Why was Riker just waiting around to die. I don't know , it feels that on TNG their would of been more collective brainstorming before throwing in the towel.

Well, Riker did consult with the bridge officers about their power crisis and the consensus seemed pretty evident that the ship was totally screwed. But having the characters give up and then band together and find the solution at the very end made for better drama.

 

[trekfan_1]

If Kirk can talk about dipping “pigtails in inkwells” and crewmen can “bet credits to Navy bean” , I think we can survive “pot” and a “dipshit from Chicago”.
The joke was lame in FC and should be avoided.

I suppose. But I persnally prefer when they adapt a phrase and change it "I'll toss you out the nearest airlock" etc.

But I can see how opinions on this would be very varied. BTW, those TOS phrases have always made me cringe slightly too.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I suppose. But I persnally prefer when they adapt a phrase and change it "I'll toss you out the nearest airlock" etc.

But I can see how opinions on this would be very varied. BTW, those TOS phrases have always made me cringe slightly too.

We hang on to euphemisms and idioms from the past for far longer than the thing they refer to. Sometimes even forgetting where they come from.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

I'll toss you out the nearest airlock

I always assumed that's just a really advanced 25th century version of auto erotic affixation

 

[fireproof78]

If Kirk can talk about dipping “pigtails in inkwells” and crewmen can “bet credits to Navy beans” , I think we can survive “pot” and a “dipshit from Chicago”.
The joke was lame in FC and should be avoided.

100% agree. People think language evolves and it does, but not the way that we perceive and not as quickly as we think. Slang and idioms stick around for a lot longer, and often origins dating outside of the original language that they come, i.e. "the apple of my eye" is originally a translation from Hebrew.

We hang on to euphemisms and idioms from the past for far longer than the thing they refer to. Sometimes even forgetting where they come from.

Yup. Many slang terms, idioms, and such are far older than we think, and persist even through generations. For instance "the whole nine yards" is a phrase that's origin is not 100% known where it came from. But it's still used.

"In a pig's eye" indeed.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

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Terry said that the bucket is not of Bajoran design, it is actually a Boungelliki bucket.

I think Terry is pulling your leg...

 

[MrShinzoff]

It's possible that TV shows and movies from the 20th and 21st century are still broadly popular in the 23rd, 24th and 25th centuries - and, therefore, some of the language pertinent to (our) time is retained in popular use.

In the SNW premiere, Captain Batel refers to a communicator as a "phone". It's apparent she'd recently been watching old movies and that's why she used that particular word. Maybe the Titan recently had a movie night that involved characters taking pot?

 

[F. King Daniel]

This was a good episode, despite some pretty glaring continuity errors regarding Changelings (don't think the writers watched DS9 to the end or even as far as BLOOD SAMPLES giving them away) and totally forgetting that Picard was miserable in his mansion 5 years ago, not on good terms with Starfleet and not cheerily telling stories to cadets.

It was also nothing new. Not a single thing. Everything's been done before in Trek, several times.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I liked this one more than E03. It was fun. Riker threw an asteroid. Damned right. I like Shaw more. Manually opening nacelle covers on the clock and a nebula birthing space squids. All very Star Trek.

I wonder if they will go heavy into Worf/Raffi next time? I kept waiting for their scene to come up.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Alcoholic beverages are normally being consumed for their taste, marijuana is being consumed to get high ... which in my mind puts it right in league with any other drug.

This is an ignorant, uninformed, inaccurate and offensive statement, in which every single word within is incorrect. So much so in fact, that I feel the need to bring this baby out of retirement.

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First off, nobody drinks Budweiser or Coors for the taste. Nobody. When I was in my twenties, I bought the cheapest beer I could to get drunk. I didn't care about the taste. The various rot guts out there are produced for only one purpose, and it is not to titillate the taste buds.

Furthermore, after working for over 3 years in the legal marijuana industry of the state of Washington, I can tell you that there are reasons other than simply "getting high" that people buy marijuana. Not that there's anything wrong with getting high. People will come in and buy joints or flower simply because they want to relax after work, the same reason someone might buy a 12 pack of (ew) Budweiser after work. Many of my customers prefer the THC experience to that of alcohol. Alcohol will leave them with hangovers and result in loss of control, while marijuana only relaxes a person, opens their minds and increases their appetite. I've never seen anybody lose control of their anger or get violent while under the influence of cannabis. The only thing in danger around someone under the influence of cannabis is a bag of doritos.

And the medicinal benefits are real. I get customers who have issues with pain, stress, anxiety and sleeplessness that seek out products heavy in cannabinoids such as CBD, CBN and CBG. I once helped the customer who is on prescription opioids for pain, and she came into the store saying that the opioids had taken over her life and that she had heard about the benefits of cannabis products and asked another budtender and me if we could help her. We introduced her to various edibles and tinctures, wished her the best of luck and sent her on her way. A few weeks later, she came into the store looking and sounding so much happier and said "thank you for giving me my life back". Just as James Doohan once said that helping a suicidal young woman out of her suicidal state was the best thing he had ever done in his life, I consider helping this woman to be one of the best things I've done with my life.

And let us consider the case of Charlotte Figi, a young girl who suffered up to 300 seizures a week until being given doses of CBD oil. Sadly, Charlotte died all too young anyway, but what life she did get to live, she lived free of seizures thanks to the medicinal properties of the cannabis plant.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Figi

So, kindly and please take your debunked and outdated "Reefer Madness" crapaganda and shove it up your most convenient bodily orifice.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

We hang on to euphemisms and idioms from the past for far longer than the thing they refer to. Sometimes even forgetting where they come from.

One of the first mental hospitals in the world was Bethlem hospital in London which around the 1300s because known in the local accent as bedlam a word we still associate with madness (not the mental type) and chaos today.

 

[fireproof78]

and totally forgetting that Picard was miserable in his mansion 5 years ago, not on good terms with Starfleet and not cheerily telling stories to cadets.

You have never put on a brave face for people, ever? Never faked it for a friend? Ever?

Seriously, I swear people think the human mood state is one continuous stream and never fascilates or is faked by people in certain situations. I cannot be the only one, can I?

I've never seen anybody lose control of their anger or get violent while under the influence of cannabis. The only thing in danger around someone under the influence of cannabis is a bag of doritos.

I love how this is the only marker for something being bad for you-did you become violent? WTF?

I'm not denying the medicinal benefits of cannabis, but I don't for once believe it is not a dangerous substance, just like all other substances can be dangerous. Not in the ways that "reefer madness" believed, but risk of schizophrenia increases, struggles with anxiety and avoidance with use, etc.

I've seen both sides of this equation. Regardless, the stoner culture is something that needs to die out.

 

[Phily B]

Theyre aren't even hiding the fact they are just writing lines using today's slang now. It's not just the "pot" reference. "Dipshite from Chicago " is anither one. The jokes in Star Trek 4 and Zeframe Cochrane exchange in First Contact - where he said he's taking a "leak' and Geardi didn't get it cannot be written anymore. Because everyone talks modern now. I don't mind it. I just wished they used less of it . It sometimes pull me out of the story.

I had no idea what taking a leak meant either, it seemed a very American expression. I've never heard anyone say it in real life.

 

[Citiprime]

This was a good episode, despite some pretty glaring continuity errors regarding Changelings (don't think the writers watched DS9 to the end or even as far as BLOOD SAMPLES giving them away) and totally forgetting that Picard was miserable in his mansion 5 years ago, not on good terms with Starfleet and not cheerily telling stories to cadets.

It was also nothing new. Not a single thing. Everything's been done before in Trek, several times.

Blood samples never worked. The Martok-Changeling cut his hand open and dripped blood on the ward room table in “The Way of the Warrior.”

 

[Uhura's Song]

I'm surprised people are stuck arguing on whether the slang of "pot" would survive to the 24th-25th centuries, but haven't batted an eye at "grease monkey."

I would guess that internal combustion engines that use petroleum based fuels wouldn't be a common thing to know (at least that's the feeling you get from what I remember of Tom Paris's love of cars) and that "grease monkey" might have gone through limited usage in 300 years time.

Amen. Great post. And others have pointed out, Seven was just in modern LA, where pot would be very much in usage.

And, FWIW, cannabis is on of the most amazing substances on this planet. Period.

1) Believed to be the first cultivated plant. Dating back over 8,000 years to Mesopotamia (modern Turkey). Some research puts it back a few thousand years further.

2) Generally, hemp fiber is the strongest (and longest) natural fiber around. Stronger than wood fiber, and more resistent to folding. Hemp paper (in museums) has not yellowed in hundreds of years.

3) Due to its strength, hemp was used in military ship riggings, uniforms, parachute webbing, and other uses.

4) Hemp is a high yield crop. One acre of hemp produces twice as much oil as an acre of peanuts and 4 times as much fiber pulp as an acre of trees.

5) Hemp can be grown nearly anywhere, in a wide variety of soils. Does not need pesticides to grow (it even kills some species of weeds). It does not require a lot of water to grow. And is suitable for crop rotation due to a short harvest cycle (120 days).

6) Hemp actively puifies the soil. It is one of the best bioremediative plants on the planet.

 

[fireproof78]

And, FWIW, cannabis is on of the most amazing substances on this planet. Period.

It is.

The ways that humans use it suck.

 

[Phily B]

Yea, they made it clear that blood screenings were not effective several times in DS9. They never successfully identified one as far as I remember.

 

[trekfan_1]

This was a good episode, despite some pretty glaring continuity errors regarding Changelings (don't think the writers watched DS9 to the end or even as far as BLOOD SAMPLES giving them away) and totally forgetting that Picard was miserable in his mansion 5 years ago, not on good terms with Starfleet and not cheerily telling stories to cadets.

It was also nothing new. Not a single thing. Everything's been done before in Trek, several times.

Blood screenings proved to be ineffective by the shows run ended. And I'm sure Changlings have found
a way to get around them now 25 years later

 

[Turtletrekker]

It is.

The ways that humans use it suck.

Sucking it in is the best way to get the desired effect.