Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x04 - "No Win Scenario"

[Tomalak]

Do you get to attend the academy at 16?

He said he was a "grease monkey" so he may have been an enlisted engineer at that point, or a cadet on field assignment.

 

[RuleofAcuisition17]

Eh, I lived through the alcopops boom of the late nineties — that’s just an inversion of the concept. Alcoholic versions of NA drinks, as opposed to just throwing vodka in everything, and believing the lie that you can’t smell or taste the difference…
Europe has a very different relationship with booze, and Britain then some again.
TBH Jamesons is utterly the wrong whisky for a twenty something Londoner, he’d still be on Jack Daniels (which has extra connotations…) or the Southern Comfort. But everyone is a little more National Pride in Trek amusingly.

Jamesons is cheap enough as whiskeys go. Mind, I'm the kind of Brit that tends to drink anything once.

Including the GOD AWFUL Stone The Crows stout served in Weatherspoons pubs. Who's aftertaste I can only described as black licourice and coffee filtered through an old P.E (gym) Sock.

That's very annoying. I was a bit ticked off how everyone was talking about it after episode 1 in a speculative manner but having obviously read spoilers from the people who got to see the first 4 episodes. "Oh, he must have been at Wolf 359, oh that's his ship in the credits, it was probably destroyed by the Borg etc."

Honestly annoyed me as every other week I've done well to wait it out.

 

[Qonundrum]

Holy. Shit.

Just... wow. I can see why Matalas was saying how this episode was going to really come home with the show so far. It certain feels like the high point.

Shaw's actions and behaviours, even the more reprehensible ones suddenly become entirely justified.

40 of your close friends, people you knew, hung out with, cared for and then you get picked at entirely random to be one of the survivors.

After all that, and being faced with your trauma writ large in Picard coming to your ship and demand things of you, you're damn right you'd be pissed too.

I really enjoyed this episode.

Vadic being revealed as a Changeling too was great.

And aren't the new, disgusting CGI effects of the changelings is absolutely fantastic and slimey and oozy.

So could we have a Seven/Shaw show already? Ideally with the episodes directed by Frakes?

That'd be nice.

EDIT: Also a special "fuck you" to TrekCulture youtube channel for spoilering Shaw's backstory in their video. Every other week they've been good and the thumbnails gave away nothing, this week they couldn't help themselves and went with this:

I avoid coming here the day before generally because I know I won't be able to help myself and click either the episode thread or the general discussion where spoilers always are.

Don't appreciate being spoiled in a ruddy youtube thumbnail.

A lot of those sites I don't bother with anymore. Either because of spoilers*, or because of the overproduced fluffpiece presentation, complete with announcers/hosts who've drank more coffee in 5 minutes than I have in a month. And trust me, one cup gets me plenty hyper.


* I'd rather read responses here, from actual and unscripted people

 

[Lord Garth]

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[StewMc]

That's very annoying. I was a bit ticked off how everyone was talking about it after episode 1 in a speculative manner but having obviously read spoilers from the people who got to see the first 4 episodes. "Oh, he must have been at Wolf 359, oh that's his ship in the credits, it was probably destroyed by the Borg etc."

I don’t think anyone got it from spoilers, not on this board anyway. It was just piecing together Shaw’s dislike of ex-Borg along with the random ship in the credits that was destroyed on the stardate of BOBW.

 

[Tomalak]

Yeah, it was not difficult to follow the breadcrumbs.

But it's hardly even a "spoiler". The power of that scene isn't the shock reveal that Shaw was at Wolf 359, it's the writing and Stashwick's performance.

 

[jackoverfull]

My one nitpick is that I thought it ridiculous that Picard and company were in a holodeck when you start out the episode saying you're cutting power to everything "non-essential" to survive. Maybe Picard's authority as an admiral would let him override any lockouts, but it would have made more sense to set those scenes in whatever version of a lounge/cafeteria the Titan may have and do the old-school Trek thing of redressing an existing set to be it. But maybe that would have been too time consuming and they needed to conserve budget for something that in the end I don't think gets too in the way of the story.

the real world reason was obviously to save budget, same reason they had the holographic chateau in season 1, but in universe they at least justified the continued holodeck use on voyager.

 

[jaime]

To be fair, Jack asked for cheap whisky on the rocks. I doubt sincerely that Paramount sales gave a lot of thought as to which whiskey would make sense. They thought about which whiskey company would be interested in product placement. Just the reality of media and placement in general.

ETA: Also, just because alcohol of choice would be your ideas for Londoners today (or the 90s, whenever), there’s no reason to suggest that either young Londoners tastes have changed in 400 years OR perhaps as even if Jack went to school in London, he had a different taste. I mean, sounds like he grew up in space. Maybe Beverly likes cheap whiskey. Who knows?

it wasn’t entirely a serious comment xD

 

[Qonundrum]

I don’t think anyone got it from spoilers, not on this board anyway. It was just piecing together Shaw’s dislike of ex-Borg along with the random ship in the credits that was destroyed on the stardate of BOBW.

I've never understood the logic. The people who were assimilated were not acting of their own accord.

Now, if the borg bits are removed and they still act like Borg... but nobody's done that... yet. There's a potentially fun plot twist in there somewhere, if an ex-Borg genuinely wanted to re-connect. And not just the first few episodes of Seven - I mean, a calculated intent after x years of being "reclaimed" as an "individual".

 

[DEWLine]

Also, the hand-wave in the dialogue lets the holodecks function as life-support shelter spaces.

 

[jackoverfull]

Alcoholic beverages are normally being consumed for their taste

Many will disagree.

 

[MrSpot]

Just watched the episode: not bad, a bit better than last week. It had some good moments but there were too many moments were it became far too maudlin with some hokey writing. This can be good with great writing and if used properly and not too often, but it seemed to be shoe-horned in way too many times and it not only broke up the flow of the story but made it come to a grinding halt.

 

[SJGardner]

Yeah, I don't think the home-brewed pálinka one of my classmates brought to our reunion that, by their own admission, was distilled from "the f**k do I know... tractor tires, boot soles, dunno" was actually brought to be appreciated for its flavor.

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

I’m 99% sure they just redesigned the FX.

Yeah, my gf commented on the changes, and I said pretty much the and thing to her. However, I'm now wondering if in their bitterness, those changelings are starting to develop a second skin... a skin of evil, perhaps...

 

[RuleofAcuisition17]

I've never understood the logic. The people who were assimilated were not acting of their own accord.

Now, if the borg bits are removed and they still act like Borg... but nobody's done that... yet. There's a potentially fun plot twist in there somewhere, if an ex-Borg genuinely wanted to re-connect. And not just the first few episodes of Seven - I mean, a calculated intent after x years of being "reclaimed" as an "individual".

Seven reffered to herself constantly as a Borg in Voyager and did so for pretty much the run of the show, the difference was she was an individual choosing to be part of a voluntary collective.

She also continues to go by her borg designation suggesting she still has strong ties to that identitiy.

Yeah, I don't think the home-brewed pálinka one of my classmates brought to our reunion that, by their own admission, was distilled from "the f**k do I know... tractor tires, boot soles, dunno" was actually brought to be appreciated for its flavor.

Bulgarian Weed Vodka is, however, delicious.

Even if it comes in the dodgiest of plastic bottles.

 

[Magistos]

Seven reffered to herself constantly as a Borg in Voyager and did so for pretty much the run of the show, the difference was she was an individual choosing to be part of a voluntary collective.

She also continues to go by her borg designation suggesting she still has strong ties to that identitiy.

I was thinking about that this morning, and Picard last season, with regards to Picard's answer that Starfleet is the only family he has ever needed", in terms of coming to grips and acceptance of who you are. You, hopefully, learn to accept all facets of yourself, and as you do that can change you.

Of course she has ties to that identity. That forms part of who she is. Seven has never said she is not Annika Hansen. She is, and she will answer to it. But it is not inclusinve of who she is. She chooses to go by Seven. It is comfortable to her. She's no longer "of Nine". She's Seven. Maybe even Annika "Seven" Hansen. She's never said that, but that's what I see in her character at this time.

Picard - at that time - has no use for family. He was emotionally stunted. Q called him out on that. He did say that he has learned to accept and grow (as he alluded to Beverly.)

Picard, off the cuff, is a worthy successor to TNG now that I think about it. Season 1 - Who are you (Soji)? Season 2 - Who are you in relation to others (Picard)? Season 3 - Who are we (The Ent D alums)?

 

[Lord Garth]

I think viewership would be more effective than a petition. Just my $0.02.

I think you're probably right, but I'm also using this as a testbed for other things I have in mind for later on down the line that have nothing to do with Trek. I just want to see how this process works, so I can have some type of experience with it.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Update: I'm starting the petition. I'm thinking about what I want to say in it and am getting jitters. I'll push through it post a link. I'll post at other places too, but you'll all have to help me with outreach.

What petition ?

 

[Lord Garth]

What petition ?

For a Star Trek: Titan series. I posted a link a few posts down.

I've also added it to my signature.

 

[Tuskin38]

My one nitpick is that I thought it ridiculous that Picard and company were in a holodeck when you start out the episode saying you're cutting power to everything "non-essential" to survive. Maybe Picard's authority as an admiral would let him override any lockouts, but it would have made more sense to set those scenes in whatever version of a lounge/cafeteria the Titan may have and do the old-school Trek thing of redressing an existing set to be it. But maybe that would have been too time consuming and they needed to conserve budget for something that in the end I don't think gets too in the way of t

That was explained in the episode. The holodeck runs on an independent power source. That’s existing lore that came from Voyager.

That's very annoying. I was a bit ticked off how everyone was talking about it after episode 1 in a speculative manner but having obviously read spoilers from the people who got to see the first 4 episodes. "Oh, he must have been at Wolf 359, oh that's his ship in the credits, it was probably destroyed by the Borg etc."

I didn’t get it from any review. I just put two and two together. From that way he treated Seven, the way he used Ex-Borg in a negative way and the redacted ship in the end credits which was damaged at Wolf 359.