Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x04 - "No Win Scenario"
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Yeah. There's a universe of difference between wanting more and being confused about what's happening.
Disco: We have 30 seconds to save ourselves, now hear my tragic youth story, now group hugs...
PIC: We have an hour and there's nothing we can do. Let's end our lives properly, like talking to each other instead of listening to some gymnopedie waltz.
Yes, they caught the changeling when the changeling went where a changeling would go. Surprise!
was it called pot since 1400 BCE?
Hell of a way to end the first arc of the season!
"Did you have a family outside of Starfleet?" Love the double-meaning. I won't spoil it for those who haven't seen it yet.
9.9 out of 10. A tenth of a point off for the skull thing. Other than that, great episode all-around.
I'll go into it more during a time that's not 4:00 in the morning, for me.
9.9 out of 10. A tenth of a point off for the skull thing. Other than that, great episode all-around.
I'll go into it more during a time that's not 4:00 in the morning, for me.
Oh, please. They had 24 hours during Season 4.
Probably just her hand.
My first 10/10. It felt so uplifting to see Picard, Riker, Crusher and the rest (even Shaw) work together to face a no-win-scenario. And it was actually Beverly who discovered that the nebula was a womb and that they could use it to their advantage. Classic Trek. Picard back in the Captain's chair was also nice.
I'll go into it more during a time that's not 4:00 in the morning, for me.
Pfft, it's the same time for me, and I'm gonna dive into work for the day! Seize the moment - this may be our last!
I don't want to get too hyperbolic, but a lot of people keep saying this is the best Star Trek in 20 years. I think this may be one of the finest episodes in all of Star Trek. I've been cautiously optimistic about this season, but at this point, I'm all in.
The pot thing would have bothered me if it hadn't been for Seven traveling back to 2024 Los Angeles, which for her only would have been a few months ago.
I am probably easier to please than most but again a solid 9 if not 10/10. Really appreciate the feel of bottle like episode that still made sense in a highly serialised series. I miss them. It felt like classic trek.
And I do really also appreciate them using a Beverly in a deserving way and not dumping her to the side now that the son revelation is over. Her putting the pieces together before anyone else was great and took the best parts of her character we got to see glimpses on TNG. I hope it continues.
Everyone was great. Shaw, Seven, Riker and Picard. I enjoyed the father son scenes even though I didn’t think I’d really would.
As for the more deeper plot reveals - it’s enough to keep me interested in the next stage of this story. Though I am more a person that watches Trek for the character side than long intricate plots. Not sure what is going on with Jack but I do hope it is something original.
And I do really also appreciate them using a Beverly in a deserving way and not dumping her to the side now that the son revelation is over. Her putting the pieces together before anyone else was great and took the best parts of her character we got to see glimpses on TNG. I hope it continues.
Everyone was great. Shaw, Seven, Riker and Picard. I enjoyed the father son scenes even though I didn’t think I’d really would.
As for the more deeper plot reveals - it’s enough to keep me interested in the next stage of this story. Though I am more a person that watches Trek for the character side than long intricate plots. Not sure what is going on with Jack but I do hope it is something original.
That's actually a fantastic thought! Now her comment makes more sense.
Not quite as good as last week but still excellent stuff. Will need to watch it again but in the interim...
Positives - Seven's "Out of respect" comment to Shaw. I've commented elsewhere that his (IMO petty and ridiculous) refusal to use the name by which she prefers to be called denotes he has no respect for her; good to see her call hm out on it. I still think he's an idiot but maybe this will lead to him getting over himself a bit.
Beverly working out what was going on. Really liked that she joined the dots before anyone else realised there were dots to join. The whole "new life" sequence was fabulous.
Riker's apology to Picard. I read somewhere that Frakes reckons he isn't much of an actor (or words to that effect), but he nailed that scene (and as usual he nailed the direction of the ep). He and Deanna beginning to mend fences was good, too. (Although I'd have liked some mention of "Hey, Beverly turned up! And she and Jean-Luc had a kid!!!" But anyway.)
Interesting point - well, that explains why Jack didn't knock himself out to get in touch with Picard. (Proved one of Beverly's points, too, but I know the mileage of others will vary. Each to their own.)
Negatives - Picard was not personally responsible for what happened at Wolf 359. Okay, Shaw was there and what happened was obviously ghastly, but it wasn't Picard's fault. (It wasn't Seven's, either.) Shaw is in dire need of counselling and how the hell he attained a captaincy is beyond me.
Off the scale brilliance - nothing in particular this week. Although the "new life" bit came pretty close.
So now Vadic is (possibly / hopefully) out of the way... What next? Who was she working for? Who the hell is Jack supposed to find? Who wants him, and why? (And other questions that will occur to me when I rewatch it.)
Now to see what everyone else reckons. Enjoying the hell out of this season so far.
ETA: Extra points and improved grammar.
Positives - Seven's "Out of respect" comment to Shaw. I've commented elsewhere that his (IMO petty and ridiculous) refusal to use the name by which she prefers to be called denotes he has no respect for her; good to see her call hm out on it. I still think he's an idiot but maybe this will lead to him getting over himself a bit.
Beverly working out what was going on. Really liked that she joined the dots before anyone else realised there were dots to join. The whole "new life" sequence was fabulous.
Riker's apology to Picard. I read somewhere that Frakes reckons he isn't much of an actor (or words to that effect), but he nailed that scene (and as usual he nailed the direction of the ep). He and Deanna beginning to mend fences was good, too. (Although I'd have liked some mention of "Hey, Beverly turned up! And she and Jean-Luc had a kid!!!" But anyway.)
Interesting point - well, that explains why Jack didn't knock himself out to get in touch with Picard. (Proved one of Beverly's points, too, but I know the mileage of others will vary. Each to their own.)
Negatives - Picard was not personally responsible for what happened at Wolf 359. Okay, Shaw was there and what happened was obviously ghastly, but it wasn't Picard's fault. (It wasn't Seven's, either.) Shaw is in dire need of counselling and how the hell he attained a captaincy is beyond me.
Off the scale brilliance - nothing in particular this week. Although the "new life" bit came pretty close.
So now Vadic is (possibly / hopefully) out of the way... What next? Who was she working for? Who the hell is Jack supposed to find? Who wants him, and why? (And other questions that will occur to me when I rewatch it.)
Now to see what everyone else reckons. Enjoying the hell out of this season so far.
ETA: Extra points and improved grammar.
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It's totally consistent with Sisko's reaction to Picard in DS9. Of course he was not responsible but trauma makes you look for scapegoats sometimes.
Could troi on the view screen be a changeling since we saw the troi in the trailer still pissed off at Riker? I fear the Jack story line is a copy of the fake picard son episode of the past with Jack's visions
Disco: We have 30 seconds to save ourselves, now hear my tragic youth story, now group hugs...
PIC: We have an hour and there's nothing we can do. Let's end our lives properly, like talking to each other instead of listening to some gymnopedie waltz.
Yes, they caught the changeling when the changeling went where a changeling would go. Surprise!
was it called pot since 1400 BCE?
Only since the 1930's. It started as slang in the US, believed to be a shortening of the Spanish words “potiguaya” or “potaguaya".
The Shaw issues re: Wolf 359 are more in line with classic survivor's guilt as Picard is an external locus on which he can focus his blame and hatred of himself for surviving undeservedly over his crew mates and friends.
It obviously was against Picard's will but you could also argue that Picard getting involved with Q lead to them meeting the Borg which then lead to the Borg deciding to use Picard's knowledge etc against Starfleet on BOBW so Picard's fault in the matter is kind of indirect
Reminds me of that scene in Emmisary in DS9.
