Spoilers Did Picard finally ''right the ship'' with Picard season 3?

[James Cole]

I don't want to have to sit through forty-five minutes of someone banging their gums in order for them to get to the point!

FWIW, if YouTube videos have captions turned on, you can run the video through the YouTubeTranscript site and then search for keywords. Find any interesting parts and even play from that time index. Saves a lot of time. And sometimes good spoilers and interviews.

The only thing the decreasing numbers over the course of the season really means is that as the season progressed, more people decided to watch the episodes on Crave rather than wait until they aired on CTV Sci-Fi.

Ok, that's an interesting data point. Will keep that in mind when the season 3 numbers come out.

It's been a promising start, but then again S2 had one of the best opening episodes I've seen for a season before it plummeted into utter chaos as the season wore on. So will remain cautiously optimistic.

Unfortunately for season 2, the guy responsible for that episode went off to develop season 3.

And that the people in charge felt the need to release 3/5 of the season to get good reviews doesn't necessarily speak to the strength of the season. You have to ask why they didn't feel that the first two or three episodes would be sufficient.

That's a fair point. The story probably does need a few episodes to build up. But also releasing 6-10 episodes can demonstrate if the season is holding up or decreasing in quality. And it did garner very positive reviews, so that's an optimistic sign.

 

[Mudd]

Holy hell, just stop right there. Like I had to explain to our "friend" that loved posting the charts showing the Canadian ratings is that that information is literally meaningless. Those ratings are the broadcast night ratings on CTV Sci-Fi Channel, but do not reflect the fact that the episodes are available on the Canadian streaming service Crave over twelve hours before they air on CTV Sci-Fi. The only thing the decreasing numbers over the course of the season really means is that as the season progressed, more people decided to watch the episodes on Crave rather than wait until they aired on CTV Sci-Fi.

But of course, that doesn't fit the "Star Trek is Failing and Kurtzman will be fired" narrative YouTubers enjoy peddling so much.

Yeah, this is the whole problem with fans pretending that they're doing "analysis" based on data. The data is either misunderstood or fabricated - or fabricated and misrepresented by the clickbait artist and then misunderstood by fans who think they've learned something.

 

[Danja]

But of course, that doesn't fit the "Star Trek is Failing and Kurtzman will be fired" narrative YouTubers enjoy peddling so much.

These people have been predicting Disco's cancellation for the past four seasons (we're now on Season 5).

 

[Lord Garth]

You people who hate Alex Kurtzman are stuck with him until 2027. At least.

 

[Uhura's Song]

For me, I don't think ANY Trek season has been great since DS9 S5/6.

TOS1. TNG 3-5. Maybe 6. DS9 4-6, maybe 3. That would be my list.

VOY4 and ENT4 were, for my money, as good as those shows got. Good. With a great ep here or there. But not consistently great.

SNW1 and all of LD/PRO have been VERY good. IDK if I'd call them great. But that is the best of NuTrek in my view.

I liked Disco1 just fine. Though Mirror Universe made it less interesting. And as frustrated as I got at times with S3's ending and other facets of the show, the end of S2 was the WORST. I really liked the first half. A lot.

But I will admit, I like episodic MUCH more than serial. An episode with resolution is almost always gonna be more satisfying for me.

 

[DaveyNY]

Yeah, this is the whole problem with fans pretending that they're doing "analysis" based on data. The data is either misunderstood or fabricated - or fabricated and misrepresented by the clickbait artist and then misunderstood by fans who think they've learned something.

The only analysis/statistic I need is whether or not I can watch an episode more than twice and still enjoy it.
Fifty-seven years later and that hasn't failed me yet, I've watched every episode/movie more than twice.

 

[Danja]

Yeah most of the people praising it have seen the first 8 episodes, and some of them have said the first couple are slow.

The first three eps set up the remaining seven.

Only three episodes of season 2 were released in advance. Here 6-10 were. People that worked on both season 2 and season 3 seem far more confident in this season as well.

They may have released the six eps to quell concerns about the show dipping in quality in the middle (a S2 complaint).

 

[fireproof78]

I have found footage of this "righting the ship" phenomenon:

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[James Cole]

They may have released the six eps to quell concerns about the show dipping in quality in the middle (a S2 complaint).

YouTuber gets the first six episodes. No idea how this will end, but these are good. But you know how PICARD has dropped before.

A few days later YouTuber comes back, they gave him the rest of the episodes, they really did stick the landing!

 

[TerryTrek]

Did Picard finally ''right the ship'' with Picard season 3?

Yes it did.

I trust the people who have seen the full 10 episodes and are praising them.

First time in decades where Trek fans should get hyped : )

 

[fireproof78]

First time in decades where Trek fans should get hyped : )

When episode 10 airs I'll be hyped.

 

[TerryTrek]

Fair.

I totally understand why anyone would be skeptical at this point.

Looking forward to the weeks ahead.

 

[tomalak301]

First time in decades where Trek fans should get hyped : )

I got hyped for Lower Decks Season 3 and the second half return of Prodigy. Let's not crap over all modern trek to lift up a Trek season that just started.

 

[Campe]

There’s some really good Trek out there. There’s some crap too. But that’s been the case since 1966.

 

[TerryTrek]

I got hyped for Lower Decks Season 3 and the second half return of Prodigy. Let's not crap over all modern trek to lift up a Trek season that just started.

It did indeed just start.

Let's see how the next weeks play out. From what I've heard about Episode 9/10, I think the Trek fans will be incredibly pleased with what they've put together here. We'll be getting things that many 90s era Trek fans have been waiting decades for.

 

[Lord Garth]

When people say, "I don't like any Star Trek after 2005," I don't agree with them, but I can understand them.

When people say, "I don't like any Star Trek after 2005 except for Picard Season 3," all I have to say is: It's the same Star Trek it was before, they just threw in some more '80s and '90s stuff to make the pill easier to swallow! If you like PIC Season 3, there's no reason not to like DSC, SNW, or the rest of PIC other than stupid hangups. It's not that different from what else has come out recently.

So if you like PIC Season 3, great. Go back and look at the other stuff. This time with an open mind!

 

[tomalak301]

It did indeed just start.

Let's see how the next weeks play out. From what I've heard about Episode 9/10, I think the Trek fans will be incredibly pleased with what they've put together here. We'll be getting things that many 90s era Trek fans have been waiting decades for.

That's the thing though. I am a 90s Trek fan and there were aspects of both Prodigy and Lower Decks that have scratched that itch recently. The DS9 episode of Lower Decks, was a nice example. I think it could have been written better as a story, but I enjoyed getting Kira and Quark back, and seeing an animated version of the Wormhole. There was also the season premiere of Season 3 of Lower Decks, where I actually got to talk to Tawny Newsome personally and just thanked her for that episode as it really did scratch the 90s trek itch. I consider Prodigy a spiritual sequel to Voyager despite it being more of a kids show. It is close to a continuation to that story we have seen, and I look forward to the new season and finding out more about Chakotay and having the real Janeway back.

I am looking forward to how this season of Picard is going to develop, despite maybe having less than giddy enthusiasm like what I've seen elsewhere. I'm just not going to crap over other things I've liked since 2009 for this new season because it's dishonest. Maybe other people feel differently, but when I see someone say this is going to be the first time in decades that 90s trek fans can get hyped for Star Trek, I know that it's not true.

 

[TerryTrek]

That's the thing though. I am a 90s Trek fan and there were aspects of both Prodigy and Lower Decks that have scratched that itch recently. The DS9 episode of Lower Decks, was a nice example. I think it could have been written better as a story, but I enjoyed getting Kira and Quark back, and seeing an animated version of the Wormhole. I consider Prodigy a spiritual sequel to Voyager despite it being more of a kids show. It is close to a continuation that story we have seen, and I look forward to the new season and finding out more about Chakotay and having real Janeway back.

Fair. Though, as you know, there are some Trek fans who want more than a cartoon 'comedy'/spoof.

I hope Picard S3 makes happy those who have had valid criticism with the last several years of Nu Trek. I'm loving the reactions to 3x01, and the best is yet to come.

 

[James Cole]

I am looking forward to how this season of Picard is going to develop, despite maybe having less than giddy enthusiasm like what I've seen elsewhere. I'm just not going to crap over other things I've liked since 2009 for this new season because it's dishonest. Maybe other people feel differently, but when I see someone say this is going to be the first time in decades that 90s trek fans can get hyped for Star Trek, I know that it's not true.

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Fair. Though, as you know, there are some Trek fans who want more than a cartoon 'comedy'/spoof.

Exactly! Move forward in the TNG/DS9/VGR time period. There are so many storylines that could be followed up now with greater budgets and serialization in live action. Yes, there are elements to enjoy with both PRODIGY and LOWER DECKS. But both are animated, and each suffer from structural limitations from their formats. PICARD is live action with many main characters returning. So it would have a much higher potential hype level.

Let's say PRODIGY was live action and targeted at a general audience... and had most of the VGR characters back. Much more potential hype.

When people say, "I don't like any Star Trek after 2005 except for Picard Season 3," all I have to say is: It's the same Star Trek it was before, they just threw in some more '80s and '90s stuff to make the pill easier to swallow! If you like PIC Season 3, there's no reason not to like DSC, SNW, or the rest of PIC other than stupid hangups. It's not that different from what else has come out recently.

Would be interesting to revisit this after the third season has completely aired.

 

[fireproof78]

but when I see someone say this is going to be the first time in decades that 90s trek fans can get hyped for Star Trek, I know that it's not true.

Exactly. It comes across as completely disingenuous.