Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x14 - "Crossroads"

[marillion]

So, did the kids kill one of the Xindi security officers when their craft swerved into the ice and exploded?

I was wondering that too! Seems that got glossed over a bit.

And shouldn't Okona look younger? How many years in between (in Trek timeline) between his TNG appearance and LD/Prodigy?

On edit: 19 years. Ok my bad. I certainly have added to my grey hair in the last 20 years, so I guess this works out.

 

[Ralph O Ward III]

There's that.
So, the Hobus star in the Romulan Star Empire could still go kaboom... it might be connected to the Protostar, or an entirely separate incident.
We'll see.

Perhaps the Divinder's device has something to do with it

 

[Tuskin38]

So, the Hobus star in the Romulan Star Empire could still go kaboom

The star being Hobus was never canon. Picard has finally clarified that It's the Romulan star now.

 

[Deks]

The star being Hobus was never canon. Picard has finally clarified that It's the Romulan star now.

Ok... but was it Romulan star as in the star which Romulus orbits, or was it just a star inside the Romulan star empire?

 

[Dukhat]

All signs indicate it was the star that Romulus and Remus orbited. And the name ‘Hobus’ wasn’t even mentioned in the film. It was just from the tie-in comic.

 

[The Wormhole]

They only went to warp, so there in the beta quadrant.. Why a kazon???

The Kazon are a nomadic people. It's not that much of a stretch there could be a group of them that have reached the Beta Quadrant.

Ok... but was it Romulan star as in the star which Romulus orbits, or was it just a star inside the Romulan star empire?

It's clearly the star Romulus orbits, otherwise the nova would not have destroyed Romulus. Picard is ignoring this "threatened the whole galaxy" nonsense from Trek XI.

 

[Deks]

The Kazon are a nomadic people. It's not that much of a stretch there could be a group of them that have reached the Beta Quadrant.

Possible, but the Kazon never stroke me as a species that would venture THAT far out.. we're talking tens of thousands of LY's... and their ships were slower than Voyager even.

Plus Prodigy writers mentioned this Kazon used a Borg TW conduit to reach the Beta Quadrant.

It's clearly the star Romulus orbits, otherwise the nova would not have destroyed Romulus. Picard is ignoring this "threatened the whole galaxy" nonsense from Trek XI.

Its not so clear actually.
From real life science, we know that a star going nova can destroy another nearby star or a planet.
In fact, if Alpha Centauri star went nova, it would cause heavy damage to Earth.

A near-Earth supernova is an explosion resulting from the death of a star that occurs close enough to the Earth (roughly less than 10 to 300 parsecs (30 to 1000 light-years) away) to have noticeable effects on Earth's biosphere.


I can see how you'd see it as nonsense... and lets be fair, Trek writers have a very skewed scope of how something can affect something else in space.

However, Trek has demonstrated that subspace plays an integral role in 24th century technology and how energy proliferates through space (even Supernovae were demonstrated to have subspace properties). Subspace tech is also used to radically enhance effects of Trek energy output (well beyond what would be gotten otherwise - which would easily explain high teraton yields in DS9 the Die is cast - other examples exist too, but they are far and between).

In this sense, for a single star to threaten the galaxy would by itself be highly unlikely... but not if someone messed with it with subspace technology for example or did experiments with subspace which ended up failing and as a last resort, the experiment was trashed into the star and it had unintended consequences resulting in that star going nova and a shockwave (unlike anything witnessed before) that could indeed pose a threat to the galaxy... it could proliferate via say close to TW speeds and be much more potent resulting in a far bigger range than it would normally have - say several thousand LY's (threaten the 'galaxy' though is always a problem in Trek because the writers often confuse 'this part of the galaxy' with the galaxy as a whole). In that sense, I could see a supernova being unintentionally enhanced to have a destructive effect ranging in say 5000 -10 000 Ly radius.

 

[The Wormhole]

Its not so clear actually.
From real life science, we know that a star going nova can destroy another nearby star or a planet.
In fact, if Alpha Centauri star went nova, it would cause heavy damage to Earth.

That's all well and good, but Picard's writers have also established in behind the scenes sources that it was the star Romulus orbits, citing a desire to be more scientifically accurate than Trek XI.

Even then, Picard's take on the supernova is hardly what one would call scientifically plausible, though the tie-in novels have stepped in and suggested the nova was not natural, though the show has not and is not likely to acknowledge this.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The Kazon are a nomadic people. It's not that much of a stretch there could be a group of them that have reached the Beta Quadrant.

Yeah, the Kazon just go rolling along...

 

[Deks]

That's all well and good, but Picard's writers have also established in behind the scenes sources that it was the star Romulus orbits, citing a desire to be more scientifically accurate than Trek XI.

Even then, Picard's take on the supernova is hardly what one would call scientifically plausible, though the tie-in novels have stepped in and suggested the nova was not natural, though the show has not and is not likely to acknowledge this.

Picard's take on the supernova is also sketchy.
The series said that the UFP was building 10 000 ships capable of carrying Romulus population to safety (which was destroyed when Admiral Oh decided to program the synths to attack Utopia Planitia and Mars, which also destroyed that fleet of transport ships - in essence, the Tal Shiar effectively sentenced the entire Romulus population to death - Remus too).

That means that they knew the supernova was going to happen in advance, or it happened already in another star system and Romulus needed to be evacuated as it was threatened (after all, why would the UFP build 10 000 ships and were on a timetable?).

Furthermore, those Romulan Warbirds are massive, could easily carry a huge population onboard and in pattern buffers at least temporarily to get to a nearby star system where they could be relocated.

 

[fireproof78]

In this sense, for a single star to threaten the galaxy would by itself be highly unlikely... but not if someone messed with it with subspace technology for example or did experiments with subspace which ended up failing and as a last resort, the experiment was trashed into the star and it had unintended consequences resulting in that star going nova and a shockwave (unlike anything witnessed before) that could indeed pose a threat to the galaxy... it could proliferate via say close to TW speeds and be much more potent resulting in a far bigger range than it would normally have - say several thousand LY's (threaten the 'galaxy' though is always a problem in Trek because the writers often confuse 'this part of the galaxy' with the galaxy as a whole). In that sense, I could see a supernova being unintentionally enhanced to have a destructive effect ranging in say 5000 -10 000 Ly radius.

Probably if they were researching the technology that made Praxis explode and the shockwave reach the Excelsior in Federation space. I always figured whatever was happening in the star that went nova (Hobus/Romulus, etc.) that it was not natural but some sort of experiment that propagated across subspace, creating a domino effect.

Poor science? Yeah, probably but it's Trek were talking about. I expect it.

 

[F. King Daniel]

THIS WAS SO GOOD! You knew them finally meeting the real Janeway would be a clusterfuck and it was.

Protostar rising up out of the snow and the warp chase with Dauntless were straight out of Star Trek Into Darkness. Murf 2.0 firing a torpedo would never have seriously happened (see: all the Riker's ass memes) but hey, it's a kids' show.

 

[Timofnine]

As mentioned by the PRO producers and seen in PIC and DIS, the transwarp conduits left by the Borg post Voyager finale allows other civilian ships to use them as a shortcut between the quadrants. The Kazon seen in Prodigy did that.

The Borg transwarp network could just as easily be used as a means of attacking other species throughout the quadrant as well as being used without policing for civilian travel and smuggling.

Thank the Collective for being so 'considerate' for setting them up so they could assimilate species all over the galaxy (although in fairness, those conduits were a product of collective knowledge of those assimilated species).
At least something good came out of it in part that the Borg created faster ability to travel through the galaxy for everyone.

Huh... perhaps the Agnes Collective also helped create new ones now that they became part of UFP - it would further explain how the conduits continued to exist in the 32nd century (because otherwise, if they didn't have tech to maintain them, they would have eventually degraded and ceased to exist).

My initial guess was that the Kazon stumbled upon one of those Subspace Corridors the Vaduar set up 930 years ago... and because they did extent to Talaxia, it would have made sense that the Kazon would have an easier time finding one and using it compared to say a Borg TW conduit - but then again, the Kazon were deemed as an inferior species, so he may have been ignored by the Collective either way.

However, here's the thing though, the mechanics of how the TW conduits are generated, opened and maintained can be fuzzy - or at least there are couple of methods.

We know the Borg TW network was said to have been 'obliterated' in Endgame... but as we also know and saw, TW conduits can and don't have to be part of a TW hub as seen in Endgame.
Conduits can be independently opened by Borg ships, or ships using a TW coil (such as the Delta Flyer did in Dark Frontier).

Plus as we know, the Lore Borg in TNG set up a number of TW conduits in the Alpha Quadrant (these seemed to have been separate of the main Borg TW hub).

In ST: PIC season 1, we saw there was a TW conduit leading to the Android planet... as such, I suspect that one was part of a smaller network set up by Lore Borg - its also possible the Kazon whom we saw in Prodigy used one entry way from what used to be former Borg space to the one leading to the AQ (we saw a representational graphic in TNG showing Geordi analysing Lore Borg TW conduits... and the graphic said the DQ was the point of origin.
My guess is the Kazon found/stumbled upon that independently set up conduit which wasn't connected to the Hub and survived the 'Endgame events'

In PIC Season 2, we saw a creation of a new TW conduit... and an unusual one at that (however, we don't know if regular [non Agnes Borg] were responsible for it or not.

So, my guess is that Lore Borg initially set up an independent network of TW conduits in the AQ - which the Kazon in Prodigy found and used (along with other species ships). After that, new TW conduits may have started popping up in the 25th century (like we saw in PIC S2).

The Lore Borg TW conduits could have degraded over time though due to lack of maintenance or lack of manifolds to keep them up... or the Lore Borg already set those up and found a way to regulate their shielding without a queen.

PIC s2 ending really set up the storytelling behind that TW conduit (that's one of the good things about PIC amid mediocre story it had), but now we know that S3 (sadly) won't be dealing with that - although, another show might (we may get Star Trek: Janeway series at some point from the initial chatter we heard... so if that happens, it could deal with the TW conduit from PIC s2).

Here is my fan fic theory about the future of the Borg and their transwarp network post Endgame/Picard season 2 in the 25th century. Of course, it is all in relation to Seven of Nine spin-off show…

I rate this weeks Prodigy episode 7/10, but only because I felt like I was watching a Star Wars toon at times.

 

[cooleddie74]

Admiral Janeway means business. She didn't lose any steam from her seven years in command of Voyager.

 

[Deks]

Probably if they were researching the technology that made Praxis explode and the shockwave reach the Excelsior in Federation space. I always figured whatever was happening in the star that went nova (Hobus/Romulus, etc.) that it was not natural but some sort of experiment that propagated across subspace, creating a domino effect.

Poor science? Yeah, probably but it's Trek were talking about. I expect it.

Its only poor science because subspace doesn't exist in real life... but otherwise, it IS possible within Trek because subspace exists there, so at the very least there's that. But 'threaten the galaxy' was a bit much... I'd just exolt a much higher destructive range than a regular supernova that would have engulfed not just the Romulan Star Empire, but threaten a portion of the UFP in the Alpha Quadrant (at least near the border of Alpha and Beta Quadrants).

THIS WAS SO GOOD! You knew them finally meeting the real Janeway would be a clusterfuck and it was.

Protostar rising up out of the snow and the warp chase with Dauntless were straight out of Star Trek Into Darkness. Murf 2.0 firing a torpedo would never have seriously happened (see: all the Riker's ass memes) but hey, it's a kids' show.

I actually talked about Murf accidentally activating a torpedo as being a possible product of the console being active (as the ship was being chased and Jankom Pog was using the console in question and never locked out that bit)... something which a (TRAINED) SF crew probably accounted for on the Enterprise-D in case of Riker's rear end.

 

[DaveyNY]

I think it's more probable that Murf's new physiology some how scrambled the console which caused the torpedo to fire even without that command showing.
They may have to keep Murf away from the ships electronics for awhile.

 

[fireproof78]

But 'threaten the galaxy' was a bit much... I'd just exolt a much higher destructive range than a regular supernova that would have engulfed not just the Romulan Star Empire, but threaten a portion of the UFP in the Alpha Quadrant (at least near the border of Alpha and Beta Quadrants).

I mean, theatened the galaxy always stuck me as hyperbole. So I never took it fully seriously. It was clearly an unusual and unstable reaction.

 

[Deks]

Admiral Janeway means business. She didn't lose any steam from her seven years in command of Voyager.

To me, Janeway never seemed as a type of person who could easily 'lose steam' even after 7 years of being VOY's captain and being in the DQ.
She was still raised in a different environment compared to the real world, and is both a scientist and explorer at heart.

We also know that even before her time on VOY, she was a driven individual. This may 'slow down' a tad after coming back home from the DQ, but on the whole, Janeway would get bored of just being with her family fairly quickly. There's a reason she joined SF in the first place... exploration, discovery and science.
She would have likely visited her mother and sister at home for a bit, but would probably go back into active service ater a few months.

And because she's a scientist, who better to spearhead technical projects based on technologies and sciences discovered in the DQ.
All of VOY crew were experienced with advanced alien technology to one degree or another... I suspect they would have wanted to develop faster methods of propulsion (such as the Proto Drive and Quantum Slipstream) so that something what happened to VOY doesn't really strand another starship so far away from home.

 

[cooleddie74]

And let's not forget Starfleet lost two starships in the Delta Quadrant around the same time(including the Equinox). Starfleet had a vested interest in finding a way to get lost, stranded ships back home from great distances and before hundreds or even thousands more officers, crew and family members got stuck on the other side of the galaxy with no realistic way of getting home.

They probably stripped Voyager down to the bone and studied a lot more than just its future timeline ablative armor and transphasic torpedoes.

 

[Deks]

I mean, theatened the galaxy always stuck me as hyperbole. So I never took it fully seriously. It was clearly an unusual and unstable reaction.

Eh, even in 'Timeless' episode, Chakotay and Kim (as fugitives) were described as 'galaxy's most wanted'.
I'm sorry, since WHEN did UFP influence stretch through the whole Galaxy? The more accurate description would have been 'in this part of the galaxy' (where UFP is known and recognized by other powers).

But in the case of the supernova, I'd say its plausible it could threaten a SECTION/PART of the Galaxy (say a certain radius) if it was artifitially stimulated to occur (using subspace tech as I mentioned).