Spoilers She-Hulk: Attorney at Law discussion thread

[Awesome Possum]

If that's the reality you live in, I feel sorry for you and if you believe men are depicted accurately in this episode. Would this be acceptable if women were depicted in a negative light like prostitution or spreading STD to men while contrast all of the male protagonists were seen in a good light? Even if its in a comedy? Because maybe you never experienced but it is a very real thing. The episode weak, and it depicts a generalization of men that fits an agenda. GOOD FOR US when it depicts a gender being inferior and monstrous while our genetic superiority presents a sense of fool-harded ego and paranoia. God, I hope you don't present that crap of a show to your son.

None of which happened on the show or had anything to do with what I posted. Did you even watch the show or did you watch some YouTube video by some MRA loser? You're overreacting to a goofy superhero show having villains and trying to claim it's an attack on men. It's laughably absurd. Do you not understand that it's going to have bad guys? There is so much to unpack here and it's all absurd jumps to conclusions that are completely disconnected from reality.

 

[YLu]

It's especially hilarious because the only actual supervillain in the episode is a woman.

 

[Ovation]

This was so much worse than I ever thought was possible.

Spoiler: Events happened in the pilot

So apparently while driving along with Banner, an alien spaceship appears on the middle of the road causing a car crash in which Jennifer gets a cut in her arm and then when she’s trying to get a much larger man out of the car, she ends up getting some of his blood in her system and boom she-Hulk powers. So right off the bat, at this point, probably 7 mins into the show I already had problems with it and so many questions. 1. Why didn’t Banner immediately turn into the Hulk when the car crashed because we’ve seen pretty consistently established anything like THAT happens Banner insta-changes in the Hulk, but he doesn’t here.

I’m guessing the show wanted Jennifer to, I guess, pull Bruce a man twice her size out of the car and save him, not the other way around??? Because when the car crashes and Bruce is trapped in the car he’s pretty much a human and it doesn’t make sense. 2nd problem with the scene once Jennifer drags Bruce out of the car he goes, “No I’m bleeding stay away from me and you know obviously his blood ended up getting into her blood stream because I guess we know now that Hulk powers transmits very much like AIDS… the scene happens very quickly… I have questions…

Spoiler: events from the episode

Now, in her She Hulk form, Jennifer kinda just runs away from the crash, she leaves Bruce - she’s gone, and once she finally returns to her human form she finds a bar and grill and goes in I guess to clean herself up and try to call Bruce to get her. And this was where I knew, if it weren’t already apparent already in this crap, the show was going to have a very anti-male, feminist bent.

Spoiler: from the show

Now because she’s just been in a car crash, and experienced her 1st episode, Jennifer was obviously, somewhat, disheveled and in the bathroom of this place a bunch of other women find her and they immediately start assuming the reason she looks like this is because of domestic violence??? What is a person's life experience when they see someone looking a little rough, a little disheveled the 1st response is “Oh—Boyfriend must be slapping you around…” that was just weird to me and also this is a Disney show I… I don’t know… the tone of this was all over the place. So anyway these women helped clean Jennifer up and she waiting for Bruce outside… these men comes by and of course we are in a “MEN BAD” universe within this show immediately uh they start harassing her. Just for good effect, it had to the Black man being the lead.

Spoiler: More events

And once more, all of this was happening within 10 minutes of the show starting… so what also makes all of these like little nitpicks or jabs against men all the more apparent is they’re happening in such rapid succession. So these dudes outside of the bar and grill are being super date rapey which eventually triggers the HULK but before she could literally kill these guys, which would’ve been the intent, who up until now was just talking to her - Bruce saved their lives.

Jennifer now waking up to Bruce’s hideaway, secret lab, Bruce explains to her she’s now a monster, and had to break it to her, “Probably can’t live a normal life because you’re gonna have all these powers that you can’t control, so it’s not safe for you to be around regular people in the everyday world.”

If this was a better written show, a more serious IMO compelling show, the next couple of episodes would deal with her trying to come to terms with the fact that her life has changed.

That she has these powers, she can’t get rid of and her trying to learn how to control them but ultimately failing and realizing she needs to rely on Bruce’s help since he has the experience in order to guide her through this process because he’s been dealing with this for years at this point and she just been thrown into this crazy world and she needs help. If I was a writer on this show that is how I would’ve tackled this, but from what I'd seen the Disney people were like, "OH NO screw any of that character development and that growth which could’ve happened, instead what if Jennifer were just automatically super good at being a Hulk and already waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better and more powerful and more in control than Bruce Banner ever could be? "

LOL!

Because yeah, that’s what happens. Right from the get go Jennifer already more in control of herself while she’s She Hulk. And not only does she have more control over her Hulk-self than Bruce does but she’s also of course - like - stronger than him too because… why not??? Literally this entire episode is just a middle finger to Bruce Banner, all of the struggles that he’s gone through, coming to terms with being the Hulk and being able to control his powers. The fact that Jennifer manages to do all of it so easy and faster and better than Bruce does. It’s a middle finger to his entire character and story arc. Jennifer is a Mary Sue, and what’s cringier and heavy handed is the fact they, the showrunners, actually pretty much explicitly say the reason why Jennifer has more control over her powers than Bruce is because she's a woman who’s had to deal with sexism. So I guess Jennifer/ She Hulk’s real power is just being a woman. And I HATE IT.

With all the heavy handed political messaging in this show, which I know you’ve picked up on it which is the reason I’m responding to you TREK_GOD_1, is not geared towards me because I am not on board with having to prop women characters up by bringing men characters down.

Yawn.

 

[theenglish]

<sarcasm> I guess this is what the MCU deserves for putting women in charge of its female characters. Started with Captain Marvel, continued with Captain Marvel, Wandavision, Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel -- and now again with She-Hulk. Those women writers and directors sure need to get a proper perspective on how to portray their characters and stories. </sarcasm>

 

[JD]

Look back to the Batman (1966-1968) TV series and some of the guest stars they had on the show: Burgess Meredith, Cesar Romero, Vincent Price, Cliff Robertson, Eartha Kitt, Milton Berele, Rudy Vallee, Glynis Johns, Ethel Merman, Dina Merrill, Howard Duff, Roddy McDowall, Van Johnson, Art Carney, Otto Preminger, Liberace, Eli Wallach, John Astin, Tallulah Bankhead, Joan Collins, Jill St. John, Phyllis Douglas, Shelly Winters, Zsa Zsa Gabor, Ted Cassidy, Jerry Lewis, Phyllis Diller, Andy Devine, Sammy Davis Jr., Sam Jaffe, Allen Ludden, Gypsy Rose Lee, Steve Allen, Dick Clark, Bill Dana, Don Ho, Chet Huntley, Edward G. Robinson, George Raft, Art Linkletter, and Henny Youngman. Frank Sinatra, Natalie Wood, and Cary Grant were also fans of the show and tried to get on, but producers were unable to come up with the right roles for them. Robert F. Kennedy was also a fan but couldn't get the details worked out for him to make a cameo as a character named Attorney General. A number of the stars were urged by their children or grandchildren to on the show.

For a very campy superhero show, there was a lot of talent that appeared on it. The list above didn't include actors just getting started like James Brolin, Teri Garr, and Rob Reiner.

I've been consistently blown away by the caliber of actors they've gotten in the MCU. I still can't get over the fact that they actually got Robert Redford for Civil War, it's pretty rare for him to do these kind of movies.

Any-Man and the Wasp? Would that work for Hulk and She-Hulk? Shulk? The Hulks? Jen and Bruce: Green on the Weekend?

I'm pretty sure there's been at least one The Hulks comic, so I'm pretty sure if they go that route, they'll use that title.

 

[Awesome Possum]

It's especially hilarious because the only actual supervillain in the episode is a woman.

It does help if you watch the episode before making claims about it.

 

[Non Sync]

I've been consistently blown away by the caliber of actors they've gotten in the MCU. I still can't get over the fact that they actually got Robert Redford for Civil War, it's pretty rare for him to do these kind of movies.

Just remember how much they over paid Marlon Brando to do Superman.

 

[Ragitsu]

Par for the course; this is why they never get my money.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Par for the course; this is why they never get my money.

What course? Who is they?

 

[JD]

Just remember how much they over paid Marlon Brando to do Superman.

Never heard about that, I'm assuming he got paid some ridiculous amount?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Never heard about that, I'm assuming he got paid some ridiculous amount?

3.7 million dollars.

 

[Gov Kodos]

3.7 million dollars.

Yup, the money and small screen time had talking heads of the day going for a while. Good for Marlon. No one forced the studio to pony up the dough. They chose to.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

3.7 million dollars.

17 million with inflation. I wonder if that paid off, I wasn't old enough for Brando to mean anything to me, I wonder if back in the day if he put any asses in seats as they say. Maybe he helped lend legitimacy to the movie for skeptics?

 

[theenglish]

That was his purpose--to give the film a sense of legitimacy, a serious film about Superman not a "silly" cartoon.

 

[Set Harth]

I've been consistently blown away by the caliber of actors they've gotten in the MCU. I still can't get over the fact that they actually got Robert Redford for Civil War, it's pretty rare for him to do these kind of movies.

Redford wasn't in Civil War, he was in The Winter Soldier and Endgame.

 

[JD]

3.7 million dollars.

I'm assuming that was an insane amount for such a small role back then?

Redford wasn't in Civil War, he was in The Winter Soldier and Endgame.

Oh right, my mistake.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm assuming that was an insane amount for such a small role back then?

Kind of insane today as well. But Brando was a big name.

 

[Noname Given]

Kind of insane today as well. But Brando was a big name.

And the interesting thing was that in the final theatrical cut a lot of what they had filmed with Brando they left on the Cutting Room floor.

But as I remember it also provided a lot of publicity for the film in that everybody was talking about how much Marlon Brando got paid for what amounted to about 3 minutes of screen time in the end. So yeah I would think a lot of people did want to see exactly what was worth so much money for so little screen time.

I was 15 when the movie came out and I just recall wanting to go see it because of how they were promoting the special effects and that you would finally have a Superman who looked like he could really fly. Honestly in the end I thought the effects were fine but they were nothing special after I first saw it in the theater.

I had two friends who were hardcore Superman fans, and they absolutely loved the film.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

So characters who make funny comments? Like every single character in the MCU?

That’s a reductive, deliberately hostile interpretation of what I said.

You’d think years of positive discussion of Michael Burnham and Rey would stop people from dogpiling sexism accusations on me for suggesting perhaps a handful of female Marvel characters came from the same trendy mold.

I am criticizing the show for glib heavy handedness, and if you read anything sexist into that it says a lot more about you.

 

[Non Sync]

Yup, the money and small screen time had talking heads of the day going for a while. Good for Marlon. No one forced the studio to pony up the dough. They chose to.

And they still had to make cue cards for him because he that's the way he works.