Sometimes "Less is more". I know its not logical, but often true.
Poll After four seasons, what major change or changes would you make to Discovery?
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Depends on what is desired.
I love SNW but it also had the fairy tale episode. By far and away the worst nuTrek episode by far IMO.
I like the fairy tale episode. I think people who don't like it need to lighten up. SNW spent its first season showing the type of range it had.
I think the worst episode of New Trek is the one where an FBI Guy is interrogating Picard.
At the time it aired, I thought "Unification III" was the worst episode of New Trek, but now I've revised that opinion. Saru promoting Tilly to First Officer was stupid but the show acknowledged it was stupid by the end of the season and we got to see that Saru, though well-intentioned, doesn't have the best judgment. Which is why I can accept that Burnham is Captain in Season 4 and he's not. Saru can't be Captain for the same reason Good Kirk from "The Enemy Within" can't be Captain: being too soft and kind-hearted just doesn't translate into command.
I think the worst episode of New Trek is the one where an FBI Guy is interrogating Picard.
At the time it aired, I thought "Unification III" was the worst episode of New Trek, but now I've revised that opinion. Saru promoting Tilly to First Officer was stupid but the show acknowledged it was stupid by the end of the season and we got to see that Saru, though well-intentioned, doesn't have the best judgment. Which is why I can accept that Burnham is Captain in Season 4 and he's not. Saru can't be Captain for the same reason Good Kirk from "The Enemy Within" can't be Captain: being too soft and kind-hearted just doesn't translate into command.
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One of the early elements of DSC I liked is that it did away with the classic ensemble show.
The formula is a bit stale IMO and only works so well in SNW because all the characters are unusually well written and are given time to shine (for the most part). It's just that the formula tends to be so constricting and hinder creativity in the kind and style of stories to be told.
Also, I don't think there should be more than one series at a time following that classic rigid ensemble pattern of mainly the bridge crew, being the captain; first oficer; doctor; chief engineer; helmsman; chief of security; tactical; etc.
And SNW does that right now already. Again, at the moment very well admittedly.
(I am very aware how much that rigid ensemble concept seems to be inherent feature of Star Trek for many fans. To the point of making it hard for them to enjoy DSC due to being overly confused and distracted by some vacant/non-existant or simply not featured positions. "Who is the CMO?!? Why have we never seen the chief engineer?!? I don't know the name of the helmsman!"
I've also noticed how from the very beginning of PRO there were lively discussion about which kid should be in which position. PRO especially should be following a much more relaxed ensemble concept, with kids swapping positions IMO. Since they're, you know, kids and still developing.)
I wish DSC didn't walk back closer to the classic ensemble. It's probably too late now, but I wish they had made it even more of a one man/woman show from the beginning, unapologetically.
Oh well. There's still more series to come fortunately, which hopefully take their their freedoms with this aspect and be creative - and especially different and fresh, which is very important in keeping a franchise like Star Trek alive.
The formula is a bit stale IMO and only works so well in SNW because all the characters are unusually well written and are given time to shine (for the most part). It's just that the formula tends to be so constricting and hinder creativity in the kind and style of stories to be told.
Also, I don't think there should be more than one series at a time following that classic rigid ensemble pattern of mainly the bridge crew, being the captain; first oficer; doctor; chief engineer; helmsman; chief of security; tactical; etc.
And SNW does that right now already. Again, at the moment very well admittedly.
(I am very aware how much that rigid ensemble concept seems to be inherent feature of Star Trek for many fans. To the point of making it hard for them to enjoy DSC due to being overly confused and distracted by some vacant/non-existant or simply not featured positions. "Who is the CMO?!? Why have we never seen the chief engineer?!? I don't know the name of the helmsman!"
I've also noticed how from the very beginning of PRO there were lively discussion about which kid should be in which position. PRO especially should be following a much more relaxed ensemble concept, with kids swapping positions IMO. Since they're, you know, kids and still developing.)
I wish DSC didn't walk back closer to the classic ensemble. It's probably too late now, but I wish they had made it even more of a one man/woman show from the beginning, unapologetically.
Oh well. There's still more series to come fortunately, which hopefully take their their freedoms with this aspect and be creative - and especially different and fresh, which is very important in keeping a franchise like Star Trek alive.
I hope so as well. The non-ensemble, not exploring the bridge crew too deeply was my preferred style as well. I know many will push back against this idea, but I watched TOS for Spock and Kirk, and maybe McCoy or Scotty. I didn't watch it for the bridge crew. They were fine but not my reason for engaging with the show. If Spock alone had been the lead I would have enjoyed it the same.
I hope they will be more creative and willing to play with different formats than just go "Star Trek=ensemble." That's not inspiring to me.
YMMV.
I have a 1080 color tv which displays 24 million colors according to the makers and I would like to see the colors on my tv to be used.
I am sick of seeing the monochrome blue light grading.
It's so depressing.
Do the makers really think it's a work of art if they
make it a single blue color?
I would rather watch it in black and white.
I prefer blue.
I prefer ensemble shows with an ensemble cast, but not just in Trek, but in general. Give me a large and varied cast of characters over a show following two guys any day.
The worst episode of NT is definitely in PIC, but it was "Watcher" (S2E4) . We get 45 min of Seven and Raffi driving around LA in a cop car and the introduction of nuGuinan, who was absolutely terrible. Oh, and how can I forget the wasted and completely tangential subplot of Rios being put on a boarder patrol bus?
Honestly, that was one of the most inane insulting episodes in the entire franchise (and I'm not one of those guys who gets all up-in-arms over bad episodes....but this one really was a pile of mugato shit).
I agree.
And I am less and less impressed with DSC the more it gravitates away from its original premise. The more they try to "Star Trek" it up, the more it just becomes sort of "just another Trek series" to me, which is the opposite of what it started out as, and a big part of its appeal to me.
It's essentially a holodeck episode which are always crap (except badgey)
It was also a weirdly abrupt wrap up for M'Benga's arc.
- Bring in the Backup Doctor from "Voyager"
- Bring in Captain Ransom--who is time traveling from the past, the 29th Century
- Reveal Kovich to be Odo (having undergone centuries of character development and shape-shifting perfecting)
- Show or mention what's happened with the Dominion by the 32nd Century
- Cut the padding!
- Get rid of Saru, and dial Michael's spotlight hogging down about 75%
Saru is the best character in the series, and Michael is the main character, so no thanks.
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