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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x09 - "All Those Who Wander"

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That's not the issue. The issue is, why should they get to keep profiting off of a creator's labor without compensating them for that labor?
Because, as I said, you created a work for them. Once it's done, and you've been paid for it, the creation is their property. That's like asking why, after you've created a piano for someone, they don't have to pay you every time they play it.
 
Welcome, Ruckie.

What is Trek TTPRG?

Sorry, TTRPG. Table Top RPG. I appear to lack an edit button.

Star Trek Adventures by Modiphus to be specific.
https://www.modiphius.net/en-us/products/star-trek-adventures-core-rulebook

The Voyages of the USS Memphis, aka Big Blue, a Shenzhou Class Starship. Basically, a post Dominion War refit of the original Walker Class vessel. Imagine a Walker and Akira kinda…smushed together.

The Chief Security/Tactical Officer was a Gorn, assigned to the ship as part of the Federation Officer Exchange Program. Big fan of Sumo wrestling, both of the Human & Gorn variety.
 
Because, as I said, you created a work for them. Once it's done, and you've been paid for it, the creation is their property. That's like asking why, after you've created a piano for someone, they don't have to pay you every time they play it.

It's called "work for hire," and everything's agreed to by contract upfront.

An interesting peculiarity here is that, to the best of my knowledge, while teleplay writers are due compensation if characters they create are used in later TV productions, they don't get paid if someone writing a spinoff novel uses the character in some way. As far as that's concerned, Zefram Cochrane - or Tam Elbrun - belong to the IP owners, not the writers who invented them for a given script.
 
The Voyages of the USS Memphis, aka Big Blue, a Shenzhou Class Starship. Basically, a post Dominion War refit of the original Walker Class vessel. Imagine a Walker and Akira kinda…smushed together.
Has potential, so long as there is a jazz lounge.
 
No jazz lounge no, but there was a popular Blues club program on Holodeck 2. And a cozy little Scottish pub located on the main Engineering deck.
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Because, as I said, you created a work for them. Once it's done, and you've been paid for it, the creation is their property.

The problem with that line of thinking is that it enables a company to potentially make massive amounts of money in return for extremely little compensation.

If you're someone who thinks that economic hierarchy is fine, then there's no issue. But I think what you're describing is just legalized theft.

Happened to me all the time when I was an engineer. Companies kept using my designs after I left. Go figure.

Maybe a lot of engineers ought to get together and use their collective economic leverage to obtain more favorable compensation.
 
That's not the issue. The issue is, why should they get to keep profiting off of a creator's labor without compensating them for that labor?

They were paid for their labor when they wrote the original story. While getting checks in the mail because someone else wrote a different story with the character years later is nice, I wouldn't call it "labor".
 
They were paid for their labor when they wrote the original story. While getting checks in the mail because someone else wrote a different story with the character years later is nice, I wouldn't call it "labor".
Yep.
 
Really a shame that they killed off Hemmer, it should have been Ortegas instead. But then again, her death wouldn"t have nearly made the same impact.
 
They were paid for their labor when they wrote the original story.

And the compensation they received was for that story. If their labor creates value for another story besides the one they wrote, then they should get compensation for the use of their labor for that story as well.
 
The problem with that line of thinking is that it enables a company to potentially make massive amounts of money in return for extremely little compensation.
That doesn't change the fact that the product was understood to be the property of the company. You seem to think that the result of your labour should be yours in perpetuity.

If you're someone who thinks that economic hierarchy is fine, then there's no issue. But I think what you're describing is just legalized theft.
That's ridiculous. It's not theft when both parties agree.

How about my piano example? I see you've skipped that one. Should I be compensated every time someone uses a piano I made? Or writes with one of my pens? Or opens one of my doors? Or is it ok that they just pay once?

And the compensation they received was for that story. If their labor creates value for another story besides the one they wrote, then they should get compensation for the use of their labor for that story as well.
And you've just ensured the death of franchises and crossovers. Congratulations: you have reduced creativity.
 
That doesn't change the fact that the product was understood to be the property of the company. You seem to think that the result of your labour should be yours in perpetuity.


That's ridiculous. It's not theft when both parties agree.

How about my piano example? I see you've skipped that one. Should I be compensated every time someone uses a piano I made? Or writes with one of my pens? Or opens one of my doors? Or is it ok that they just pay once?


And you've just ensured the death of franchises and crossovers. Congratulations: you have reduced creativity.

Issue is that you'd have to carry out extensive work valuing the use of a character.

Is it a flat fee for any mention of them at all? Or how about fee per usage of them in said production? Scale with fees for a one off mention, background character, main character?

Who then determines these things?

The impracticality of doing it basically makes it easier to accept the status quo as the cost of challenging rulings, making the initial determination etc would end all crossover usage before it began
 
They probably pissed off one of the more aggressive alpha or beta quadrant powers and got exterminated.

The great gorn hunt would be a Klingon wet dream
I don't know exactly where the Gorn empire is but it seems to be gone by TNG. Much honor in hunting Gorn for sure.
 
Very well put.


I can't point to a specific scene, but seem to remember he displayed a lot of contempt for anything human (which - fair enough) and sometimes even stated it when Amanda was present. (Full disclosure, still loved him because the actor was great).

Sorry if I'm misremembering, but I do remember thinking: DUDE, why did you marry a human then?!

ETA: This thread is too long for me to get caught up on, so apologies if it's been suggested before, but I'm voting for Chock for Spock/ Chapel and Chock'ing for the triangle! (I almost wrote threesome, which... if it dissolves the triangle situation, I'm all for it! Or go for a thruple!)
Chock"Pring.
 
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