Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x05 - "Spock Amok"

[Captain Jollydark]

Well it really depends what is meant by experimenting. Not everything is okay.

I think we can all safely assume that poster is not referring to sex with farm animals (because they can't give consent, amongst other reasons) and sex with children (or anyone else who cannot give consent based on relationship/power dynamic). You might argue that we can't assume such a thing but I'm pretty sure we can. If the other parties can consent freely, then it is okay even if I personally find it weird and something I wouldn't do. If you want to bring religion into it (which you haven't) then that's another problem (and would mostly be yours).

 

[Trekker4747]

I've had the Amok Time fight song (loved the use of it here) going through my head fall day. Need to go home and watch this again and then Amok Time.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I love the way B5 did it as well; simple updates to current suits and stuff.

I loved the B5 suits, simple, no lapels.

And the Army of light uniform was my favorite.

 

[J. Frank Doobie]

Everyone would almost have to be pansexual to have sexual interest in another (humanoid) species.

Not everyone, but likely a much, much higher proportion of people than today, that's for sure. I would imagine only being attracted to people of the opposite sex of the same species to seem pretty old-fashioned by the 23rd century as ST portrays it.

Certainly the appearance of xenosexuality will add a new dimension (an X axis) to humanity's understanding of sexuality. The addition or acceptance of new or previously underrepresented identities does not eliminate or lessen existing identities (a reality many in today's world seem to stuggle mightily with). The pie doesn't get divided into smaller parts; the entire pie grows larger.

Lot of metaphors, there, but that's the human in me!

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

It's a bit sad watching Spock and T'Pring struggle to make things work knowing how it ends up

Who knows, Spock & T'Pring might have worked all along =D.

Remember how Spock didn't reveal information about Sybok to Jim and the rest of the crew until that movie =D.

 

[TRON JA307020]

I think it'll be a broader thing that we couldn't nail down to any terms we use today.

Everyone would almost have to be pansexual to have sexual interest in another (humanoid) species.

Not if the humanoid species has male and females. I do find it funny how heterosexual is becoming a word not to be used or acknowledged in tv or movies. It's like they are afraid of offending people by having acknowledged a heterosexual in a show. It's really getting ludicrous. Ethan Peck dodged the question when he was asked if Spock was bisexual. He says he plays the character as written. Why does everyone want every character to be a bisexual? So annoying.

 

[Belz...]

Am I the only one who thinks the number of producers in the opening is downright comical? Maybe they should just show the actors' names, with maybe the writers and director.

But by the tos era The current actor will be more than 8 years older than Bradshaw. They should have gotten a younger actor.

Or maybe they thought "hey, let's go with a good actor, and screw it."

Which is, I think, how they should approach the show from now on. Screw the old continuity. Let's just have fun. Branch off in a new timeline or something. I don't care.

Hey we should appreciate how good we have it here on Trek because that other Star franchise is about to launch a prequel show starring a 40 something actor who's line in the original work is "I have be

That isn't the line. He doesn't mention the 20 years.

We never saw the transition so why would Piper be succeeding Boyce? We had no context.

See how crystallised head canon can become?

I wish the slap has been edited out. Call me crazy but after the Jonny Deep and Amber Head mess of marriage, women should not be shown treating men in a way we know will not be acceptable if it was in reverse.

Now THAT is absurd.

 

[fireproof78]

See how crystallised head canon can become?

Oh, I know. I'm just more of a head canon skeptic now.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

Nice. And I misremembered the scene from TOS - I forgot it was Uhura who made the statement about T'Pring; and while watching this SNW episode; I thought it was Nurse Chapel who made the - "She's lovely..." comment.
^^^
So yeah, no canon violation at all in that Chapel was shocked at hearing the "My wife..." comment, as I'm sure she was wondering: "Hey they were engaged the last I knew...when did Spock marry her??!!...What exactly did I miss?"

Or maybe she was putting it together what his mysterious illness was really about.

 

[Mr Awe]

I feel like the quality curve of the series is steady in the B+/A- range for me. Every episode is good, has lots of enjoyable elements, and no flaws in basic storytelling, characterization, or execution. But it always is just slightly short of greatness - at least for me - which may be down to how everything is in some respect a reprisal of something we've seen already. Still, I'm plenty entertained, and anxious for next week.

That's exactly my take as well. I love this show. More than DIS or PIC. But I haven't been able to give a 9 or 10 yet. I reserve those for near classics and classics, respectively. But they've had a really solid set of episodes. I'd say all above average. Just not quite nailing the greatness mark. Even Momento Mori, which I gave a strong 8, didn't quite reach it. Thoroughly excellent but yet without that something to make it more than the sum of its parts. It was intense and had great action but didn't include some higher concept or theme to lift it above being an action piece.

That said, I'd say it hasn't been since TOS that a Trek series has had such a strong sequence of episodes to open its first season. If this continues, it's just a matter of time before SNW hits that mark of greatness!

 

[Belz...]

It always has been and always will be a broad spectrum. The difference being mostly in how comfortable we are with accepting it both within ourselves and others. Chapel suggesting she's bisexual would hardly be noteworthy today, much less (hopefully) in the far future.

I think most people are on one end of that spectrum, though, not because of intolerance or moral qualms, but just due to preference. We've just recently stopped tolerating people assuming that homosexuality is an unfortunate choice; let's not make the same mistake with heterosexuality.

 

[Yistaan]

Who knows, Spock & T'Pring might have worked all along

It never would've worked, simply because, as in the real world, the moment T'Pring says 'No' that's the end of the discussion period. Nothing we see here on Strange New Worlds changes that.

If anything, Amok Time is now more poignant because Spock realizes who his real friends are (The moment he smiles and shouts "Jim!") and he realizes that all this T'Pring drama (even if he was getting bedroom action apparently as seen at the end of the episode) from SNW is best left forgotten like the person who turned her back on him.

 

[Noname Given]

Before they get into the interrogation room, La'an shouts "BAD COP!"; beating Una to it.

LOL - I knew she shouted something, but didn't understand it (and subtitles were taking to long to load).

 

[Mr Awe]

Was it just me or did the Enterprise look particularly TOS-ish under the bright external lights of Starbase 1?

That's exactly what I thought too. I did a double take!

 

[fireproof78]

I think most people are on one end of that spectrum, though, not because of intolerance or moral qualms, but just due to preference. We've just recently stopped tolerating people assuming that homosexuality is an unfortunate choice; let's not make the same mistake with heterosexuality.

Indeed. It would be nice to let the whole spectrum be OK, and being hetero, whatever the reason, to be allowed.

 

[DaveyNY]

7. The solar sailing starship was kind of neat. It doesn't really jibe in terms of Trek tech (or SW tech, when we saw Dooku's in EP2), but it did give you that 'strange new worlds' sense of wonder.

You must have missed that entire episode of DS-9 where Sisko and Jake build a Bajoran Lightship (Solar Sail Spaceship) and prove that it was possible to use it to get from Bajor to Cardassia many centuries before.
("Explorers" S3-E22)

 

[Yistaan]

After thinking about the episode a bit (which I'll be honest I didn't really like but it is what it is), I think if they are going to be keeping T'Pring around then they should go there. As in the 'there' that was spelled out in this episode--that Spock fears T'Pring will dump Spock because he's a half breed descended from an inferior race. And have T'Pring do exactly that for exactly that reason.

T'Pring sees Spock does some human type stuff in Strange New Worlds. She pretends not to notice but goes home and runs into Stonn, the epitome of Vulcan physique and culture who knows Surak's teachings like the back of his ears and just show to the audience that Spock has no chance at all. Make Spock suffer while forcing him to be stoic about it (I don't think anything in Amok Time precludes him knowing about Stonn technically beforehand). Show T'Pring ghosting Spock on subspace channels while he wonders what he did wrong. Show Spock desperately denouncing his mother and humanity to "prove" to T'Pring he's a true Vulcan like her. Go all the way with it. Don't hold back.

To twist the knife further, have stunningly beautiful Leila Kalomi show up ready and willing to get it on with Spock only for Spock to denounce her and all humans to "prove" his Vulcan status to T'Pring (ultimately dooming him to have neither).

 

[Belz...]

You must have missed that entire episode of DS-9 where Sisko and Jake build a Bajoran Lightship (Solar Sail Spaceship) and prove that it was possible to use it to get from Bajor to Cardassia many centuries before.
("Explorers" S3-E22)

They did pass through some sort of wormhole, though.

Presumably, today's alien ship must have FTL travel as well, just using the old sail for ceremonial purposes.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Indeed. It would be nice to let the whole spectrum be OK, and being hetero, whatever the reason, to be allowed.

I do think many tv shows and movies are moving away from labeling anyone heterosexual in the stories now. It's just the way things are moving.

 

[thribs]

I hope the Eaglemoss version of that solar sail ship doesn't break constantly.