Spoilers Strange New Worlds 1x01 - "Strange New Worlds"

[Ssosmcin]

Each Trek show has a different kinda feel. This "old school" vibe is the feel I've missed, so I'm happy with the first episode. I like an episodic series with a bit of a background arc. I like to know that I can watch one episode and know the main story is over and I don't have to wait three months for the arc to conclude. I like the idea that if I don't enjoy one story, the next week will have a different one. I like that I don't have to write off an entire season if the story doesn't land with me.

Most of all, I like the idea of having "favorite episodes" again. I haven't had one since Terra Prime.

Bring it on.

 

[trekfan_1]

It was a pretty good start. Big fan of Mount and rest of the cast was good/has potential.

Didn't mind the opening sequence effects wise. Loved the musical theme and the sequence choreography

Didn't like the T'pring/Spock stuff. Cringe worthy IMO. But so was T'pol/Tucker gelling each other in ENT. This was not quite that bad. And not a supper biggie. Can shrug it off.

Not a super fan of how they are re-imagining Chapel. Wished they just created a new character instead.

Otherwise I liked what I saw. If the Orville is a modern version of TNG (with overt comedy), then SNW feels like a modern version of TOS.

 

[fireproof78]

I hope each series can feel comfortable and content in honouring it’s own unique vision

That is what I have seen and the more I see the more I like the diversity of Trek's buffet.

 

[jackoverfull]

Watch "The Booby Trap" and then anything from TNG S5 onwards, anything from DS9, Voyager and Enterprise. The difference is striking. (Other than times when the music changed to fit some theme of the episode, usually a holodeck program (Worf's "Ancient West," Bashir's James Bond. Vic Fontane program (specifically the casino heist episode)' Voyager's 50's B-Grade sci-fi movie program.)

The music from episodes like The Booby Trap, Best of Both Worlds are great. Can hear them in my head right now. Any episode from S5? A vacuum. Wallpaper.

pne of my favorite episodes for the music is When No One Has Gone Before.

 

[Belz...]

The music from episodes like The Booby Trap, Best of Both Worlds are great. Can hear them in my head right now. Any episode from S5? A vacuum. Wallpaper.

The Inner Light.

 

[seigezunt]

I was floored, and pretty emotional. Not gonna lie, this felt like the kind of Trek I was anticipating and did not get in 1987. No slight on the TNG era, but this felt like the Trek I fell in love with as a kid. Fun and funny and exciting.

 

[cooleddie74]

I can't even think of Season 5 music right now except for the Klingon music in "Redemption, Part II." the music when Picard is telling Dathon the story of Gilgamesh in "Darmok" and some of the music in "Unification, Parts I and II." And, of course, Picard's Kataan flute music in "The Inner Light."

 

[trekfan_1]

And heres is where I stand on canon. Many will disagree but Im ok with the stretching canon approach.

I understand canon can hinder good story telling.

I also understand and feel that when you have such a rich history, staying connected to canon creates a sense of importance, weight and verisimilitude.

Many will say there's too much call backs, Easter eggs and attempts to tie in to canon. I actually think that those attempts and connections actually mitigates the stretching of canon in other areas.. I can still disagree on interpretations (Chapel) but its not a deal breaker.

 

[Trekker4747]

pne of my favorite episodes for the music is When No One Has Gone Before.

Good music in that one too, though The Booby Trap for me is great. The stuff the plays when they first figure out they're in the trap, and then later when getting out of it? Great stuff.

The Inner Light.

S5 episode so probably an outlier but also an episode that doesn't fit with most of the themes and traps Berman but then in.

 

[cooleddie74]

Season 1 is the worst year of TNG but it does have the loudest, most pronounced and most memorable music. I do associate Season 2 with music as well because of "Elementary, Dear Data" and the score accompanying Data's Sherlock Holmes holoprogram.

 

[Kaelef]

And hers is where I stand on canon. Many will disagree but Im ok with the stretching canon approach.

I understanding canon can hinder good story telling.

I also understand and feel that when you have such a rich history, staying connected to canon creates a sense of importance, weight and verisimilitude.

Many will say there's too much call backs, Easter eggs and attempts to tie in to canon. I actually think that those attempts and connections actually mitigates the stretching of canon in other areas.. I can still disagree on interpretations (Chapel) but its not a deal breaker.

The important thing you hit on is that it's an extremely subjective thing. One person's heart-felt callback is another person's pointless fan-wank. I don't envy the writers trying to find the right balance.

There's definitely canon-breaking stuff that drives me crazy, and other things that I really don't care about that others are upset about. So, when someone asks if "canon matters", all I can think is "as with all things -- it depends..."

 

[valden]

It was a pretty good start. Big fan of Mount and rest of the cast was good/has potential.

Didn't mind the opening sequence effects wise. Loved the musical theme and the sequence..

Didn't like the T'pring/Spock stuff. Cringe worthy IMO. But so was T'pol/Tucker gelling each other in ENT. This was not quite that bad. And not a supper biggie.

Not a super fan of how they are re-imagining Chapel. Wished they just created a new character instead.

Otherwise I liked what I saw. If the Orville is a modern version of TNG (without the overt comedy), then SNW feels like a modern version of TOS.

I wonder if it is just so hard to do a vulcan romance, watching the tpring/spock stuff made me realise just how much I appreciated the kelvin spock/uhura romance form star trek 2009 and Beyond, although that has more to do with the fact that the actors can really act. (Quinto and Saldana) and they talked more realistically. Unlike the query, response, query, response back and forth with spock/tpring. LOL.

Peck imo is very one note and he is capable of showing only one expression. Quinto and even Nimoy, knew how to switch faces and show different facial expression even in the vulcan manner, Peck may not even to do the ''spock smirk'' Nimoy was so good at doing and Quinto could do also when he confronted Jim for cheating on the kobi yashi maru test in star trek 2009.

Peck seems to have only one face and for his voice, people seem to be praising, it may be too deep. I cant see Peck saying worlds like ''Jim'' as Nimoy does and you can see more of spock's human side. Peck to me was miscast.

As for Chapel I think I know were this is heading to fans who are saying that she is too reimagined, I think she is that way for a reason, when she and spock date (which has been confirmed they will as teased already in the trailer) Spock will likely break her heart and that is the reason she turns into the mild Chapel, who will still see carrying the love touch for Spock.

that is the only way her story can go in this prequel and the fact that it is Kurtzman, it is easy to predict. The are setting Chapel up for some kind of big tragedy that will make her a shell of her former self as she was in TOS.

But I will wait for the feminist to scream that storyline is so sexist and anti feminist, forgetting that Chapel is only known most famously for having a huge crush on spock and all what SNW is doing is giving us the origin to that.

 

[fireproof78]

The important thing you hit on is that it's an extremely subjective thing. One person's heart-felt callback is another person's pointless fan-wank. I don't envy the writers trying to find the right balance.

There's definitely canon-breaking stuff that drives me crazy, and other things that I really don't care about that others are upset about. So, when someone asks if "canon matters", all I can think is "as with all things -- it depends..."

Indeed. It's often treated as a black and white question when it comes down to "Maybe?" Like, maybe it matters how soon an alien race is introduced, but probably not.

But, I also am extremely simplistic: I take Vina's advice from "The Cage." "You'll feel it, that's what matters." That's want from Trek and what I have gotten more and more of since 09 and TOS: I feel engaged with the characters.

Unlike the query, response, query, response back and forth with spock/tpring. LOL.

You know what's funny. I realized that how is how my wife and I can be at times, as we are both highly analytical overthinkers. So sometimes it is a lot of query/response dialog.

It works for me.

that is the only way her story can go in this prequel and the fact that it is Kurtzman, it is easy to predict. The are setting Chapel up for some kind of big tragedy that will make her a shell of her former self as she was in TOS.

Setting her up? She was started with a huge tragedy!

 

[cooleddie74]

Even Vulcan first contact is now open to some level of interpretation since, yes, official and public First Contact happened on April 5, 2063 but we now know from both ENT and PIC that Vulcan survey teams were on Earth as early as 1957 and then the 1970s or 1980s and both teams had direct encounters with human beings. One may even have created velcro by using alien technology to help a human family with a financial problem.

First contact in Trek is always first contact. Unless it isn't. To paraphrase Anton Chigurh in the filling station.

 

[Kaelef]

Even Vulcan first contact is now open to some level of interpretation since, yes, official and public First Contact happened on April 5, 2063

Expect more blurring of those dates as we get closer and closer to the 2060's...

 

[Noname Given]

Oh man. My feels.

Watching this was like catching up with an childhood friend and asking what they've been doing all this time, and finding out they've been doing awesome. I don't hate my new friends PIC and DSC. But this seems like real, god honest Star Trek. The Star Trek I grew up with. I cannot tell you how happy I am to be reunited with it.

^^^
I have to quote this because it sums up my feelings about SNW perfectly.

STAR TREK is back!

 

[Ssosmcin]

NImoy created Spock out of the whole cloth, so any actor following has a huge mountain to climb. Unlike the humans in Trek, he had to be something original and different and Spock evolved from The Cage all the way through the Bad Robot films. The "query" bit seemed like a playful joke between the two since Vulcans generally don't sound like Soong Androids.

But very, very few actors "nail" Vulcans. they tend to focus on the lack of emotion rather than it being controlled. Peck played Spock more relaxed around T'Pring and aloof on duty. That worked for me. But really, Nimoy and Mark Lenard were the only two actors who really "got" Vulcans (although Quinto was quite good). Tim Russ was too dry for me and everyone else is all ears and bangs.

 

[Spider]

Expect more blurring of those dates as we get closer and closer to the 2060's...

I wonder what the bridge will look like in the 6th remake of TOS in 2060?

 

[Kaelef]

But very, very few actors "nail" Vulcans. they tend to focus on the lack of emotion rather than it being controlled.

Another, more forgiving way, of interpreting the situation is that Vulcans are individuals with potentially great variances in personalities, just like humans. To expect anything less would be...illogical

 

[ananta]

In other words, I think we considered that hopefulness to be a fundamental aspect of Trek, the one thing that shouldn't change.

Yeah but…
The actual shots of the Earth engulfed by a nuclear holocaust was not at all hopeful to me. I mean, yeah, it’s great that in hundreds of years the Trek universe will be a happy place, but let’s face it, that sequence, even if only a few seconds, was way darker than anything I’ve seen on DSC or PIC. It was especially sobering giving the fact that we’re closer to nuclear war than at any other point during many of our lifetimes.