Spoilers Strange New Worlds 1x01 - "Strange New Worlds"

[valden]

Indeed. It's often treated as a black and white question when it comes down to "Maybe?" Like, maybe it matters how soon an alien race is introduced, but probably not.

But, I also am extremely simplistic: I take Vina's advice from "The Cage." "You'll feel it, that's what matters." That's want from Trek and what I have gotten more and more of since 09 and TOS: I feel engaged with the characters.

You know what's funny. I realized that how is how my wife and I can be at times, as we are both highly analytical overthinkers. So sometimes it is a lot of query/response dialog.

It works for me.


Setting her up? She was started with a huge tragedy!

I doubt you and your wife speak in one word exchange only.

Look I get what SNW was trying to do with the Spock/Tpring

Tpring in general has never been a fan favourite love interest for Spock and SNW so far does not do her any good. Honestly I would have love to have seen the sex scene of spock/tpring before Spike interrupted just for cringe/laugh if this was HBO may we would have.

 

[Tuskin38]

I doubt you and your wife speak in one word exchange only.

Well they're not Vulcans.

 

[Kaelef]

Yeah but…
The actual shots of the Earth engulfed by a nuclear holocaust was not at all hopeful to me. I mean, yeah, it’s great that in hundreds of years the Trek universe will be a happy place, but let’s face it, that sequence, even if only a few seconds, was way darker than anything I’ve seen on DSC or PIC. It was especially sobering giving the fact that we’re closer to nuclear war than at any other point during many of our lifetimes.

I think Star Trek has been as much a warning about what the wrong way to go is, as it's been a vision of a hopeful future. The fact that things are as bad as they are right now while so many seem dead-set on making it worse makes the first message all the more important.

 

[XCV330]

NImoy created Spock out of the whole cloth, so any actor following has a huge mountain to climb. Unlike the humans in Trek, he had to be something original and different and Spock evolved from The Cage all the way through the Bad Robot films. The "query" bit seemed like a playful joke between the two since Vulcans generally don't sound like Soong Androids.

But very, very few actors "nail" Vulcans. they tend to focus on the lack of emotion rather than it being controlled. Peck played Spock more relaxed around T'Pring and aloof on duty. That worked for me. But really, Nimoy and Mark Lenard were the only two actors who really "got" Vulcans (although Quinto was quite good). Tim Russ was too dry for me and everyone else is all ears and bangs.

I thought Gary Graham and Kara Zediker both did good jobs.

 

[cooleddie74]

Jolene Blalock eventually "got" T'Pol and showed how her emotions were just under the surface, especially during the Xindi Crisis. Her Trellium-D addiction in the Expanse turned her into probably the most emotional Vulcan in Trek since Spock in "The Cage(TOS)."

 

[Noname Given]

Even Vulcan first contact is now open to some level of interpretation since, yes, official and public First Contact happened on April 5, 2063 but we now know from both ENT and PIC that Vulcan survey teams were on Earth as early as 1957 and then the 1970s or 1980s and both teams had direct encounters with human beings. One may even have created velcro by using alien technology to help a human family with a financial problem.

First contact in Trek is always first contact. Unless it isn't. To paraphrase Anton Chigurh in the filling station.

From STVI:TUC
Spock: "There is an old Vulcan proverb...Only Nixon could go to China."

 

[cooleddie74]

I could see the Vulcan survey crew from the PIC Agent Wells flashbacks returning to the Vulcan Science Directorate with information on certain world leaders and efforts to forge peace between the nations of Earth. "Nixon was not a man who liked their system yet...he reached out to that system's authoritarian rulers and proposed cooperation."

 

[Noname Given]

I wonder what the bridge will look like in the 6th remake of TOS in 2060?

What 'Bridge'? They'll all be sitting in chairs using AR/VR Goggles.

 

[Kaelef]

I wonder what the bridge will look like in the 6th remake of TOS in 2060?

That reminds me:
I'M SO GLAD NOT TO BE SEEING DAMN HOLOGRAPHIC CONTROLS AND DISPLAYS ALL OVER THE PLACE!!

I've got a feeling those things are going to look extremely dated extremely quickly.

 

[Ssosmcin]

I thought Gary Graham and Kara Zediker both did good jobs.

For some reason, I forgot Enterprise, even though I'm actually in the midst of rewatching it. So I take that back. Jolene was also excellent in the role as written.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

Holy crap, 45 pages? I assume everyone rushed here to talk about HOW AMAZING that premiere was?

 

[Kaelef]

Holy crap, 45 pages? I assume everyone rushed here to talk about HOW AMAZING that premiere was?

For a nice change of pace: mostly yes!

 

[Noname Given]

That reminds me: I'M SO GLAD NOT TO BE SEEING DAMN HOLOGRAPHIC CONTROLS AND DISPLAYS ALL OVER THE PLACE!!

I've got a feeling those things are going to look extremely dated extremely quickly.

You mean like those Apple Mac (with that AWFUL Macintosh color pallete) computer displays do now from original TNG?

 

[cooleddie74]

Well, to quote Picard in "Encounter at Farpoint," PROVISIONALLY.

 

[XCV330]

For some reason, I forgot Enterprise, even though I'm actually in the midst of rewatching it. So I take that back. Jolene was also excellent in the role as written.

I should have included her as well. She grew into the role and by Twilight she was one of my favorite characters.

 

[MoJo]

I enjoyed it greatly. Solid first story, good chemistry among the likeable cast, and it was brimming with confidence. Anson Mount anchors everything in this show. His Pike is just so decent and empathetic. Who can't empathize with him knowing the details of his upcoming death? Just a superb job on his part. Love his Pike. I also dig Romijn's Una. I like that she's confident and tells it like it is. Who else would chide Spock not to jinx them. Alas, I've never been a fan of Peck's Spock. He's always been more human than Vulcan, for me. Whereas Nimoy and Quinto are more Vulcan, IMO. And that's how I like my Spock, as the nerdy, logic-spewing, goody-good boy, not a half-human trying not to emote. Peck's inflection on his dialogue is also more nuanced than Nimoy and Quinto, where they did a better job of sounding neutral and not inflecting much at all.

But overall, I thought they killed it. I give it a solid "A". Looking forward to the series.

P.S. I dig the theme. Retro but kinda hip. My first thought was, it's cool and not trying to sound "important" **cough, cough** Discovery and Picard **cough, cough**

 

[jackoverfull]

The Inner Light.

that music wasn’t background, it was central to the episode (and to lessons). If anything it should be compared to the mystery melody in discovery season 3…which was hardly a melody at all!

 

[jackoverfull]

You mean like those Apple Mac (with that AWFUL Macintosh color pallete) computer displays do now from original TNG?

LCARS still work great for me. Those all blue holographic displays never did.

 

[Belz...]

I also understand and feel that when you have such a rich history, staying connected to canon creates a sense of importance, weight and verisimilitude.

Only for die-hard fans who actually delve into the history and details of the show. That's what fans often fail to understand: the franchise isn't just for them.

S5 episode so probably an outlier but also an episode that doesn't fit with most of the themes and traps Berman but then in.

"Can't find one!"
"Here's one."
"Doesn't count!"

I wonder if it is just so hard to do a vulcan romance, watching the tpring/spock stuff made me realise just how much I appreciated the kelvin spock/uhura romance form star trek 2009 and Beyond, although that has more to do with the fact that the actors can really act. (Quinto and Saldana) and they talked more realistically.

They talked like humans. Spock and T'Pring talked like Vulcans. That's the whole point: Vulcan romance is different. You want them to do human romance for Vulcans.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Well they're not Vulcans.

Seriously!

Nothing more needs to be said, really.

I found the T'Pring scenes interesting and at many points quite amusing, like when she says that Spock was about to be naked.

It's a nice set-up for "Amok Time." T'Pring is trying to make it work, but she has desires. She's dropping all kinds of hints that Vulcan is where she wants Spock to be and indeed the only place she feels that Spock needs to be.