Spoilers Strange New Worlds 1x01 - "Strange New Worlds"

[gweeps]

I'll have to get used to the intro credits. They seem rather bland right now.

A concise story that dwelled on characterization w/o it all being service to the plot.

A lot of beautiful cinematography. Good series premiere. Well cast.

 

[Mr Awe]

While this is probably arguable, I'm pretty happy to retcon this across the board. Why wouldn't they have a transporter in sickbay? Always seemed a little weird to transport the sick and wounded into a transporter room and then ferry them throughout the ship to get to sickbay.

No, there just wasn't one on the original Enterprise. Never mentioned and never seen.

I'd agree that having one makes sense, but it wasn't there.

However, you just need to wheel the patient from a nearby transporter room to sick bay. A transporter room can be right next to sick bay after all.

But I can roll with it. It just feels like an unnecessary contradiction.

 

[gvn2fly]

No, there just wasn't one on the original Enterprise. Never mentioned and never seen.

I'd agree that having one makes sense, but it wasn't there.

However, you just need to wheel the patient from a nearby transporter room to sick bay. A transporter room can be right next to sick bay after all.

But I can roll with it. Ot just feels like an unnecessary contradiction.

Never mentioned or seen doesn't mean it can't exist though. Sick bay was also just two beds in a small room on TOS. Doesn't mean that's how it has to look like now.

 

[Mr Awe]

They admitted to making an error. It wasn't intentional.

That's cool. No worries.

 

[cooleddie74]

Hell, there was a rec room and arboretum combo in "And the Children Shall Lead(TOS)" that was built from scratch for Season 3 even with the series' trimmed budget for its final year. And I guess that room was always there but we just never saw it until 1968.

 

[Mr Awe]

The nuke that hit Washington, D.C. was definitely low yield. Most of the Capitol dome was still intact.

If only 600,000 died in WW3, it was definitely not a full out nuclear war. Both USSR and US have enough nukes to destroy the world many times over. So, a limited nuclear war. Although, you'd think that if DC was nuked, the US would respond all out.

 

[Mr Awe]

Never mentioned or seen doesn't mean it can't exist though. Sick bay was also just two beds in a small room on TOS. Doesn't mean that's how it has to look like now.

I'm not going down that rabbit hole. But, no, it was not there. I will agree that having a medical transporter does make logical sense. So, as I mentioned, it's a quibble.

 

[fireproof78]

Not rude, just pointing it out. Relax man! Geez!

Saying "get it right!" Struck me sideways.

But, it's a lot of posts in the thread to see the apology.

 

[Charles Phipps]

If only 600,000 died in WW3, it was definitely not a full out nuclear war. Both USSR and US have enough nukes to destroy the world many times over. So, a limited nuclear war. Although, you'd think that if DC was nuked, the US would respond all out.

600,000 SPECIES of plant and animal.

1/3rd of humanity.

 

[Mr Awe]

Clearly some of the refits added between 2259 and 2267 are not for the better.

Dang budget cuts!

 

[Mr Awe]

This is a practical matter, for the writers. More people now are familiar with the ins-and-outs of the Picard/NCC-1701-D era than with Kirk's ship as it first appeared on television, and asking the drop-in (or "casual," as we usually say) viewer to intuitively accept and embrace an environment in 2022 that's less advanced than the one they watched in the 1990s or that they see in reruns now is an unnecessary challenge for this series and those that come after it to take on.

I hate it when I agree with you!

Given the practicality of having a transporter in sick bay, it is easier to accept not having one as a TOS oversight (I shudder at the thought) than a SNW problem for having one.

 

[Mr Awe]

McCoy DID hate transporters. If there was an unseen emergency transporter pad in the TOS Sickbay complex maybe it just didn't get used due to McCoy's very pronounced and loud hangups with transporter technology and not wanting to risk further injuring a crewperson or other patient.

Nah, his Hippocratic oath would've required him to use all available technology to help a patient. Even with his dislike of them, he knew they were safe. He wouldn't let his own dislike interfere with caring for a patient.

 

[Mr Awe]

600,000 SPECIES of plant and animal.

1/3rd of humanity.

Ah, ok. I misremembered. But even 1/3 of humanity is a limited nuclear war. Remember, both the US and USSR each have enough nukes to destroy the world multiple times over.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Nah, his Hippocratic oath would've required him to use all available technology to help a patient. Even with his dislike of them, he knew they were safe. He wouldn't let his own dislike interfere with caring for a patient.

McCoy's attitude makes a lot more sense when you take in how much bleeding edge Federation tech malfunctions.

Ah, ok. I misremembered. But even 1/3 of humanity is a limited nuclear war. Remember, both the US and USSR each have enough nukes to destroy the world multiple times over.

I mean, obviously, because humanity survives and rebuilds.

 

[Belz...]

I think it is because the transporter is supposed to be a bit of newer tech in TOS

Have you seen Enterprise?

We know that in TOS there isn’t one. Why else would you beam a wounded Spock to the Transporter Room instead of Sickbay in “A Private Little War”?

Clearly it was under repairs, and they didn't have the budget for several years. McCoy probably had a hand in that.

Just because it is neither of those things doesn’t mean it shouldn’t make sense. CBS is the one constantly pushing the Prime angle, it is on them to keep stuff straight.

Or maybe they're just not as anal about continuity as some of us are. Think comic books and how their continuity keeps changing along the way.

So I saw it fully now and so far, it was average, nothing really big or special, I am not too keen on some of the acting though, I feel the actors who play Laan and Spock (Ethan Peck) are the weak link in acting.

No surprise here.

the episode was sort of saved at the end with Pike's speech but why does earth have to go into darkness in the past timeline. I guess this is just Kurtzman been Kurtzman.

Have you ever watched Trek before? It's firmly established that a big war occurs mid-21st century.

 

[Amaris]

What a great start to what I hope is a terrific series. There's just so much to absorb in the pilot episode, but what I'm seeing so far I really like. They got me with the Lt. Kirk feint, so kudos to them for keeping me a bit off balance. Excellent first episode, lots of eye candy from characters to locations to special effects, a healthy dash of moral philosophizing and tying it in to current events, and seriously, what a gorgeous ship. Such a lovely lady!

 

[fireproof78]

Have you ever watched Trek before? It's firmly established that a big war occurs mid-21st century.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure a big part of TOS was that humanity had a really dark period, Eugenics War, "last great world war," Colonel Green, Augments. Star Trek has never acted like humanity was hunky dory all the way to the 23rd Century.

 

[cooleddie74]

Kirk in "A Private Little War(TOS)": "There was a time when our weapons grew faster than our wisdom and we almost destroyed ourselves."

 

[firehawk12]

I thought the conversations were nicely paced, myself. (It's 52 minutes, actually, same as TV shows in the 60s, which -- if intentional -- is genius.)

Maybe I just needed more classic TNG scene enders where Picard or someone just stares out of a window at a sea of stars in between meetings. lol

I had an issue with that too. Pike had seemed to start to get it back together in Such Sweet Sorrow, Part II. But I guess he was just barely holding it in because there was a crucial mission to get through.

From a dramatic perspective, I understand why they start him at his lowest to build him back up. It's what DS9 did with Emissary, which is the other great Star Trek pilot episode.

Yeah, I totally understand why you'd do this to introduce the character and it's a very familiar character arc shorthand to get someone 'back in the saddle'. It's just a bit odd, especially after going back and watching the end of Discovery S2 to refresh my memory.

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, I totally understand why you'd do this to introduce the character and it's a very familiar character arc shorthand to get someone 'back in the saddle'. It's just a bit odd, especially after going back and watching the end of Discovery S2 to refresh my memory.

Do you think Pike had made peace at the end of Season 2?