Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Phoenix219]

When it is a completely different character than the one that has already been established, how is that not changing backstory? Obviously that includes race, but to think that ANYONE has a problem with the character because he is a black man is ridiculous. Make a character. Use Stone. I'm sure the actor is going to play a great role. But its not Robert April.

I have a lot of problems with their use of M'Benga, including his age, but his race does not bother me - because it is still true to what has already been established.

Would it be okay if in a recasting, Picard became Asian? Or even German, or Finnish, instead of French/British? With no explanations?

I would complain equally as loud.

STOP SAYING ITS PRIME. JUST ADMIT THAT IT IS A REBOOT AND NO ONE WOULD HAVE ANY OF THIS TO BICKER ABOUT.

 

[fireproof78]

When it is a completely different character than the one that has already been established, how is that not changing backstory? Obviously that includes race, but to think that ANYONE has a problem with the character because he is a black man is ridiculous. Make a character. Use Stone. I'm sure the actor is going to play a great role. But its not Robert April.

It's not? How so? What is the great continuity of Robert April that is known in canon (that's very important) that his current presentation takes away from?

 

[cooleddie74]

It is now. Look, it was jarring the first few seconds I saw the announcement and I was like: "that's not what he looked like in TAS!" But it passed. And there are practical ways to reconcile it.

 

[Tuskin38]

People did complain about Sisko being black, it's just the internet was in its infancy back then, so it really didn't spread around outside of small groups.

There's old news net posts I've seen people claiming that they cast a black captain to be 'PC'.

 

[cooleddie74]

Let me tell you a story about Nerdrage.

Remember when a certain modern TV series brought back a popular bounty hunter many thought died in a movie made 40 years ago? And then made him nicer and more compromising and less of a murderous death machine? He even had a cuddly pet dungeon beast? Yeah. This April stuff will wear off at some point.

Most of it does.

 

[Jack Wolfe]

People did complain about Sisko being black, it's just the internet was in its infancy back then, so it really didn't spread around outside of small groups.

There's old news net posts I've seen people claiming that they cast a black captain to be 'PC'.

I remember the toxic crap on the usenets about Sisko, and how outrageous it was for them to put a "split-tail" in command of Voyager. People sometimes try to be a little more artful these days when communicating their prejudices, but rings clearly anyway.

 

[Phoenix219]

People did complain about Sisko being black, it's just the internet was in its infancy back then, so it really didn't spread around outside of small groups.

There's old news net posts I've seen people claiming that they cast a black captain to be 'PC'.

I've never complained about it, and no one I know has ever complained about it. He was a great character and a great actor. I'm sure that it is true, that diversity is the reason for the casting, as I'm sure was the case for Janeway, but I would never feel that it detracts from the characters. DS9 is in my top 3 Trek shows. I dislike Voyager, but not because of Janeway. I've never complained about Michael, or Book, or any other diverse character on Star Trek. I will ALWAYS complain when ANY show changes canon, gender or race for absolutely no reason, when there were viable characters available that we would all love to see. The ones that see race in everything, are the ones making the changes to begin with. Race is irrelevant. Continuity, on the other hand, is not, IMO.

 

[DaveyNY]

Let me tell you a story about Nerdrage.

Remember when a certain modern TV series brought back a popular bounty hunter many thought died in a movie made 40 years ago? And then made him nicer and more compromising and less of a murderous death machine? He even had a cuddly pet dungeon beast? Yeah. This April stuff will wear off at some point.

Most of it does.

???? I'm drawing a blank.
Please enlighten me, age has dulled my quick wit.

BTW: I thought Avery Brooks was a Fantastic addition to the Trek mythos.

 

[Belz...]

When it is a completely different character than the one that has already been established, how is that not changing backstory? Obviously that includes race

Really? Let me ask you: if the next Bond was black, would that change anything about the character, to say nothing about changing it "completely"? What is it about April that allows you to completely change their face but not their skin colour? I mean, if we were talking about Shaft, sure, but April?

but to think that ANYONE has a problem with the character because he is a black man is ridiculous.

Except that the race is the thing you're complaining about.

I have a lot of problems with their use of M'Benga, including his age, but his race does not bother me - because it is still true to what has already been established.

Interesting. You've completely sidestepped my question about M'Benga's skin tone. He's obviously a lot darker than what we've seen in TOS. Does that not count as a completely different character now, especially since his personality is different?

STOP SAYING ITS PRIME. JUST ADMIT THAT IT IS A REBOOT AND NO ONE WOULD HAVE ANY OF THIS TO BICKER ABOUT.

WHEN does it become a reboot? Did the new props and uniforms and sets and effects and ship designs not count? The skin colour of a character we've ever only seen once in a cartoon before is the point as which you say it's too much????

 

[cooleddie74]

???? I'm drawing a blank.
Please enlighten me, age has dulled my quick wit.

BTW: I thought Avery Brooks was a Fantastic addition to the Trek mythos.

Hawk from Spenser: For Hire.

I hear he went on to make a mean jambalaya for people with funny foreheads.

 

[DaveyNY]

Hawk from Spenser: For Hire.

I hear he went on to make a mean jambalaya for people with funny foreheads.

Ahhh ... I remember that show now, but I didn't really watch it other than an episode or two.
(and didn't know they had remade it)

 

[Jack Wolfe]

???? I'm drawing a blank.
Please enlighten me, age has dulled my quick wit.

BTW: I thought Avery Brooks was a Fantastic addition to the Trek mythos.

I think it was The Book of Bongo Fartt. Maybe.

 

[DaveyNY]

I think it was The Book of Bongo Fartt. Maybe.

Heh ... I don't know what the FuK that is either.


I have read The Book of Bunny Farts though.

 

[fireproof78]

I think it was The Book of Bongo Fartt. Maybe.

Mr. Feet. Mr. Bob A. Feet?

 

[cooleddie74]

This thread will rule with respect.



Oh, who am I kidding.

 

[Jack Wolfe]

Mr. Feet. Mr. Bob A. Feet?

That's him!

 

[cooleddie74]

The man in the helmet.

No, not Bob the Builder. Bob's killed more people.

 

[DaveyNY]

The man in the helmet.

No, not Bob the Builder. Bob's killed more people.

I've always felt that Bob the Builder is a Doozer in disguise.

 

[cooleddie74]

Dance your cares away.

Because later Bob dances YOU away.

 

[DaveyNY]

Dance your cares away.

Because later Bob dances YOU away.

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