Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x09 - "Hide and Seek"

[137th Gebirg]

He's a flesh and blood robot.

His memories from his original body were downloaded into the Golem and then transmigrated to whatever chasis he has now.

His memories are digital, and they are stored digitally on a flesh and blood computer hard drive.

His memory is perfect.

The golem Picard's memories may be able to perform perfect recall, but the original Picard's memories that the golem received during transfer will have been severely degraded over time. It's like trying to make an insanely out-of-focus 19th century photo make sense through 21st century digital photo enhancement. It can make fairly decent approximations of what might be there, but if there is no real data, it will never be perfect. Garbage in = garbage out.

He's supposed to be 90 years old in-universe by this time? Yeah, I can barely remeber what I had to eat last week, much less any kind of suppressed traumatic memories that happened 70-80 years prior.

 

[fireproof78]

Seven's killing those "Borg" drones was something I found pretty disturbing. In the heat of battle, sure, but if she had access to a transporter, just teleport them to somewhere far away. Why kill them? As a liberated Borg, she must know that there is hope for them.

Too much risk at this point. They don't know the outcome or that they will have the means to save them.

 

[Campe]

Seven's killing those "Borg" drones was something I found pretty disturbing. In the heat of battle, sure, but if she had access to a transporter, just teleport them to somewhere far away. Why kill them? As a liberated Borg, she must know that there is hope for them.

If the drones came across more people, and had their own nanoprobes, they could assimilate (which was an unknown at that point for Seven… had Borgati been able to get even more nanoprobes since Seven and Raffi last saw her?) and wreak havoc on Earth. Seven had to act quickly and did what she could safely not only for her team but the entire population.

 

[XCV330]

Thoughs:
I feel like Rios is leaving. They were telegraphing the hell out of that punch. i could be wrong. Season 3 is looking like an older folks reunion so there might not be room, anyway.

The whole extended metaphor of Picard's crazy mom killing herself was stretched way too far. Think it was pretty obvious from the beginning something like that happened. For someone in charge of the biggest weapon delivery system the Federation possessed, who had also been assimilated , had his brain controlled by an alien probe, been tortured by Cardassians, etc.. that NEVER came up in psych evaluations and addressed? He had an empath-councilor bumping elbows with him every day. For Years.

But I get it was needed for the series. It does have a kind of 19th century Bronte "Crazy wife in the attic" sense to it. It was fun seeing Picard fire an French resistance pistol. Picard has now fired a P-38 or whatever that pistol was, and a Thompson Submachine Gun. Seaspon 3 should include him shooting a bazooka or flying a Spitfire for completion.

I did like the episode. I gave it an 8, because standing on its own, I think it earned it. But I am tired already of the arc. I never cared much for Jurati, and the new Borg Lite can go boldly into the galaxy and fuck off. It's fine. I thought at first this season was going to have Rios and Jurati either fix what went wrong or end up as friends. But he kind of just shrugged when she was gone. I get it.

Elnor can become the new Duncan Idaho. Bring him back once in awhile, only to get him killed again.

Jeri Ryan is capable of more than they have been asking of her this season (range from mild annoyance to mild anger) but she's doing very well with what she's been asked to do. Same with Michelle Hurd. I appreciate they haven't really tried to create some sort of overt chemistry between Rafi and 7. Doesn't seem like their style.

There is no redeeming quality to this version of Soong. What is his motivation? Also what happened to not-Daj? Characters just disappear and reappear in this season.

For a season that is supposed to deal with Q, there's not a lot of Q.

I agree with @Lord Garth , FBI Man will return.

 

[truthchampion]

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This one is more blunt after watching it. They guy actually puts a phaser to his own head!

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[truthchampion]

Thoughs:
I feel like Rios is leaving. They were telegraphing the hell out of that punch. i could be wrong. Season 3 is looking like an older folks reunion so there might not be room, anyway.

The whole extended metaphor of Picard's crazy mom killing herself was stretched way too far. Think it was pretty obvious from the beginning something like that happened. For someone in charge of the biggest weapon delivery system the Federation possessed, who had also been nearly assimilated , had his brain controlled by an alien probe, been tortured by Cardassians, etc.. that NEVER came up in psych evaluations and addressed? He had an empath-councilor bumping elbows with him every day. For Years.

But I get it was needed for the series. It does have a kind of 19th century Bronte "Crazy wife in the attic" sense to it. It was fun seeing Picard fire an French resistance pistol. Picard has now fired a P-38 or whatever that pistol was, and a Thompson Submachine Gun. Seaspon 3 should include him shooting a bazooka or flying a Spitfire for completion.

I did like the episode. I gave it an 8, because standing on its own, I think it earned it. But I am tired already of the arc. I never cared much for Jurati, and the new Borg Lite can go boldly into the galaxy and fuck off. It's fine. I thought at first this season was going to have Rios and Jurati either fix what went wrong or end up as friends. But he kind of just shrugged when she was gone. I get it.

Elnor can become the new Duncan Idaho. Bring him back once in awhile, only to get him killed again.

Jeri Ryan is capable of more than they have been asking of her this season (range from mild annoyance to mild anger) but she's doing very well with what she's been asked to do. Same with Michelle Hurd. I appreciate they haven't really tried to create some sort of overt chemistry between Rafi and 7. Doesn't seem like their style.

There is no redeeming quality to this version of Soong. What is his motivation? Also what happened to not-Daj? Characters just disappear and reappear in this season.

For a season that is supposed to deal with Q, there's not a lot of Q.

I agree with @Lord Garth , FBI Man will return.

No explanation why Soong created the Not Sooji and her variants.

Could he not adopt a child?

Is he married?

I mean it just random bits by different writers stuck together. No cause or reason or rhyme or explanation about the motivations of the chiropractors.

 

[eschaton]

He's a flesh and blood robot.

His memories from his original body were downloaded into the Golem and then transmigrated to whatever chasis he has now.

His memories are digital, and they are stored digitally on a flesh and blood computer hard drive.

His memory is perfect.

His memories can only be whatever was imported in from the OG Picard brain. If those were flawed memories, so are the Golem memories.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The golem Picard's memories may be able to perform perfect recall, but the original Picard's memories that the golem received during transfer will have been severely degraded over time. It's like trying to make an insanely out-of-focus 19th century photo make sense through 21st century digital photo enhancement. It can make fairly decent approximations of what might be there, but if there is no real data, it will never be perfect. Garbage in = garbage out.

He's supposed to be 90 years old in-universe by this time? Yeah, I can barely remeber what I had to eat last week, much less any kind of suppressed traumatic memories that happened 70-80 years prior.

Human memory fills in the blanks with pretend and imagination.

When I play a faulty file on my pc, either it won't render partially or completely.

When mapping Picard's brain, I doubt Alton would map unreadable data, or not?

 

[Tiberius Jim]

Not sure this requires its own thread so I'll just put this here: my prediction for next week is that the Neo-Borg Queen on the bridge of the Stargazer...is Yvette Picard. Jean-Luc will have moved that skeleton key (he mentions in this episode that he wishes he had never had access to it) and it'll no longer be where he can get to it as a child to let his mother out of the room. She'll survive as a result, and then end up as part of this new Borg "Cooperative" that helps those in need, ultimately becoming their queen. That's why the Queen tells Picard to "look up" on the bridge. That line doesn't make sense coming from anyone else. He'll realize it's her, and instead of destroying the Stargazer, he'll trust her and let her do what she's trying to do which will end up not being as threat to the fleet at all.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If not, then I called it. It just seems like the sort of twist these writers might go for especially since the Queen being Jurati seems really obvious.

 

[Jack Wolfe]

Seven's killing those "Borg" drones was something I found pretty disturbing. In the heat of battle, sure, but if she had access to a transporter, just teleport them to somewhere far away. Why kill them? As a liberated Borg, she must know that there is hope for them.

It's doubtful the drones were viable for very long given the unstable nature of the nanoprobes. They were disposable muscle, nothing more. I've seen complaints that Seven should have simply dispersed their patterns rather than beam them into the bulkheads. The Borg are body horror. Upping the ante by going full Philadelphia Experiment was a nice touch in my opinion.

Otherwise, we might have had this exchange--
Raffi: Nice timing! Where did you send them?
Seven: They're still here. I simply scattered their patterns in place.
Raffi: That means--
Seven: You're breathing them.
Raffi [choking]: Oh, great!

 

[StarMan]

This one is more blunt after watching it. They guy actually puts a phaser to his own head!

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Okay, that scene of Seven and Raffi sprinting into gunfire does look bonkers on a second viewing.

 

[gvn2fly]

This one is more blunt after watching it. They guy actually puts a phaser to his own head!

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Yet he watches each week and spends more time thinking and talking about the show than most of us here do.

 

[eschaton]

Human memory fills in the blanks with pretend and imagination.

When I play a faulty file on my pc, either it won't render partially or completely.

When mapping Picard's brain, I doubt Alton would map unreadable data, or not?

The way human memory works actually is every time we "remember" something, we change the memory slightly. There have been lots of studies which confirm the less frequently we recall something, the more likely our memories will be accurate.

I don't think the scan could really tell the difference between garbled false memories and "real" ones. Even if it could, if you filter out the garbage, it's not the same person.

 

[gvn2fly]

Angry Joe gave this ep a 0/10! I don't really care what a youtuber thinks. But this still boggles my mind. How can anyone give this episode a 0? Even if you think Picard is a terrible show, surely you could find one good thing about this ep. There are definitely worse eps of Trek than this one.

He gets more clicks and attention from those who hate (and don't even watch) the show that way. They get clicks by creating and building outrage about what has happened to franchises

 

[fireproof78]

This one is more blunt after watching it. They guy actually puts a phaser to his own head!

How completely inappropriate. I hate the caviler attitude towards suicide.

 

[Kilana2]

EKH ist back = Emergency Karate Hologram. Starfleet should integrate it into every Fleet Ship.

 

[Kilana2]

Thoughs:


Elnor can become the new Duncan Idaho. Bring him back once in awhile, only to get him killed again.

Elnor is like Weyoun. They should have cloned him before he was killed.

 

[XCV330]

Upping the ante by going full Philadelphia Experiment was a nice touch in my opinion.

Thank you! That's what it reminded me of. I forgot the name of that movie.

 

[gvn2fly]

From one of the comments "have’t seen a single episode of this season. I’ve only seen Joe and RLM." Seen lots of other commentary like this. It's weird and beyond my comprehension. Why would you watch hours long negative commentary on each episode of a show you don't even care to watch?

 

[Yistaan]

Elnor is like Weyoun. They should have cloned him before he was killed.

With 400 years on her hands and Borg Jurati's knowledge of synth bodies as well as the brain scans of Elnor on the La Sirena she's now in control of, we're going to get synth resurrected Elnor presented to Picard upon his return to the 25th century.