Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x09 - "Hide and Seek"

[Tiberius Jim]

I mean, I presume that normal operation of a transporter requires the air where people are materialized to be beamed...somewhere.

True, but I'd imagine it can differentiate between a gas and solid matter. Or not, and the transporter is even more dangerous to use than I had imagined.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Honestly, the whole "beamed into a wall" thing is ridiculous anyway. Even if it were possible, two atoms cannot have electron shells that close together, so it would trigger some sort of explosion.

Then how can they beam into atmosphere? Same effect with a lower density, right?

 

[Charles Phipps]

Realistically everyone is going to lose in every timeline if you wait long enough. If the Borg assimilated entire worlds during those centuries, what does it matter if they lose in some far point in the future? Won't undo the damage to the victims.

I think the argument is the Borg are so antagonistic and brutal that eventually they get destroyed by someone who figures out their weaknesses. They're incapable of ascending like Star Trek and Babylon Five have races do or spreading out beyond the galaxies so they never go extinct. The Borg have a single failstate due to being a Collective so they always end up being wiped out.

At least in the timelines that Jurati examines.

Even in a galaxy that they successfully took over, maybe the Organians or Q annihilate them.

 

[fireproof78]

True, but I'd imagine it can differentiate between a gas and solid matter. Or not, and the transporter is even more dangerous to use than I had imagined.

Have you watched TMP, TOS or ENT? McCoy is supposed to appear unreasonable but I find myself favoring his position.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Right, or you think a transporter would have some sort of protection from that when it realizes it's trying to materialize a person where matter already exists so an inattentive transporter operator doesn't kill an entire away team. I suppose that could be turned off, but still. Of all the ways to depict that happening, this was by far the laziest. It would have been more plausible, albeit more gruesome, had Seven beamed them anywhere but made them materialize inside out or something.

All in all it's just a brick in the wall.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Have you watched TMP, TOS or ENT? McCoy is supposed to appear unreasonable but I find myself favoring his position.

I mean, literally, Kirk beams him up in TMP just about 10 minutes after the horrific death of two people.

Not even in an emergency situation, but drydocked ABOVE EARTH.

 

[Yistaan]

It was something like thought scans at his death. He died on a biobed, so it stands to reason that the computer was actively scanning his brainwaves or something and those were part of the holograms profile. Convenient, but not completely illogical.

Keep in mind that this La Sirena is Confed tech. We know General Picard got transferred into a synth body and it may be routine in their timeline. Thus, the scan of Elnor.

 

[Charles Phipps]

I wish they'd left it ambiguous but just had "Elnor program is programmed to say things that are reassuring."

 

[Yistaan]

So did Tallinn or whoever miss a borg in Picard's dungeon, causing one to scare Yvette and cause her descent to insanity?

Did Robert blame Jean-Luc for what happened? I'll bet he did. In fact, this actually gives a more understandable reason he hates Jean-Luc than whatever they mentioned in that Family episode back in TNG.

Picard's musing he used to imagine his mother get old and offering tea is probably nonsensical to people who didn't see Yvette's appearance in TNG. That line was very obviously jammed into the dialogue to explain that episode.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Finescale Model magazine once ran an article with a Reliant that had that exact same error.

It's such a common error, it got its own official ship name in DS9 - the USS Trial (NCC-1948)! No longer an error.

 

[Vale]

Honestly, the whole "beamed into a wall" thing is ridiculous anyway. Even if it were possible, two atoms cannot have electron shells that close together, so it would trigger some sort of explosion.

If transporters can compensate for the Heisenberg uncertainty effect, they can certainly compensate for electron repulsion.

 

[Vale]

I hate temporal mechanics.

Have a gif, I've got a lot of use out of it this season

 

[Tosk]

That line was very obviously jammed into the dialogue to explain that episode.

Very. I half expected him to add, "Oh, and I imagined her with a French accent for some reason..."

 

[Jack Wolfe]

Oh, and re the canonicity of the NX-01 refit. Modelers build all sorts of stuff. I myself built a model consisting of a Gemini capsule slapped on top of a LEM descent stage. That ship never flew in reality, but was featured in the 1968 film "Countdown".

I tried that same setup in Kerbal Space Program, and it worked OK even though the Gemini CM/SM was too heavy. It landed with only a whisper of fuel left.

 

[GhoulEddie74]

At least the TNG actress and this one had kind of a facial similarity. Good casting.

 

[Yistaan]

At least the TNG actress and this one had kind of a facial similarity. Good casting.

Sometimes deepfakes aren't even necessary. In discussing the trailers for that other Star franchise, I pointed out that actor Joel Edgerton looks more like younger Uncle Owen than actual younger Phil Brown, the actor who played Uncle Owen in the 1977 Star Wars film if you google Phil Brown's photos.

 

[Char Kais]

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[zenophite]

Why would they bring Picard's nephew out of nowhere, who hasn't been mentioned all season?

Only superfans who remember the episode Family and Generations likely even remember him...and probably not his name.

I'm not so sure the writers wouldn't do something like that. It sounds very much in keeping with the sort of storytelling I've seen so far.

 

[gweeps]

Picard's musing he used to imagine his mother get old and offering tea is probably nonsensical to people who didn't see Yvette's appearance in TNG. That line was very obviously jammed into the dialogue to explain that episode.

Perfectly encapsulates what retcon means.

 

[No Grave Dug]

Janeway: "I'll put my career on the line for you, Seven. You get into Starfleet Academy or I'm giving them my resignation."
Admiral: "No. Can't do it. And don't pull that crap with us, Kathy."
Janeway: "Oh, well, did my best. See you later, Seven!"

Admiral Kathryn Janeway, Bipolar to the end.