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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x09 - "Hide and Seek"

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I do appreciate that they have access to rather cheap sources to get ships
The designer of the refit worked on this season.

I hate that design and the belief that it was going to be used if season 5 was picked up....
It was never guaranteed the refit would appear in Season 5. Drexler proposed the idea of the ship getting a refit, but the show was cancelled before he got any word back.

He also didn’t settle on the current design of the refit until years after the show ended.
 
And there's Seven getting re-Seven'd, yep. Fits her seasonal arc of self-acceptance like a glove. Good stuff. Guess I'll do predictions one last time, then. Been on a roll overall. Lots of questions peppered into this, though.

Picard will cite personal insights he's found this season in his fateful conversation with Q. They'll both learn something from Q's last trial, something poignant that Patrick Stewart will make sound meaningful no matter what it takes.

Will Q be capable of tapping into the final reserves of his withering godlike powers to bring them home? Right back to the Stargazer, as it were? Will the Stargazer sequence be fundamentally altered by Jurati not being present? Or will the "one Renee must live, one must die" a kind of timeline splinter that allows for the previous iteration and altered iteration to somehow occur simultaneously, before snapping back together in that major moment when the Borg Queen Jurati transports herself aboard? (She, herself, is the culmination of all this - one half from the Federation timeline; the other half from the Confederation timeline.)

Since Soong's still an issue, I suspect Kore will reappear before the end. What will become of her? If the writers opt to devote much more time to her, perhaps she'll leave for the future with Picard and the others. Certainly, now more than ever, I think this will happen with Theresa and her son. They lampshaded it this week by pointing out how hard it is for her to encounter this wonderful technology and have to watch it leave, just like she'd be watching Rios leave. They want the audience not to dwell, to just root for it to go the whole nine yards now.

La Sirena will be the very heart of that wild-looking Borg vessel the Borg Queen Jurati uses. Star Trek's seldom been as nuanced as folks pretend, and the modern writers are typically that much thicker about things.

Tallinn gets to factor into the timeline split somehow, yeah? Renee doesn't necessarily have to die on one side of the equation if she can instead be whisked away by her secret near-lifelong guardian.

But back to Q. That scene, the inevitable one between de Lancie and Stewart, it needs to work on a similar level to Stewart and Spiner inside Data's mind during last season's finale. They'll go big on this, I think. If there is a point in the episode in which the scenario stops juggling between several settings and simply breathes, it will be these two men discussing the finite matters of past, present, future, and farewell.

A throwaway line may exist, blink-and-miss, where Seven says something along the lines of "now that the Federation is involved with this new breed of Borg, Starfleet is more interested in having someone with firsthand experience on the inside." Setting Seven, as an official member of Starfleet, aboard the same ship as Raffi and Elnor would be a fine sendoff (with stuff for them all to do next season as well, of course).

Anyway, that's my guesses. Always fun to type them all out. Before I head to bed, I'm gonna go ahead and guess that there will be a huge internet shitstorm over Seven saying Starfleet wouldn't accept her when we know that Icheb made it in. Gonna chalk this one to the writers not being clear enough that there's a difference between Icheb's few years as a drone and Seven having spent decades as one and being viewed with favoritism by the Borg Queen herself. It won't stop Angry Joe or Miffed Irene or whoever from reminding us that the show is dreadful.
 
I like the refit NX-01, it's a nice prequal to the Constitution class and it was designed by the same guy that created the NX so it's fitting.

The NX was the precursor starship design that the Federation used for the majority of its later classes.
Like it or not, it was the testbed for everything that came later.
 
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Or it could simply be a toy.

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They also have the Promellian cruiser in the bottle there.
Hm that is odd. In that bottom image the ship still appears to have the warp governor where it would be in the Pre-Refit configuration, not where it actually is on the refit.

It’s like the model maker got the refit conversion kit, but didn’t do it completely.
 
Or it could simply be a toy.

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They also have the Promellian cruiser in the bottle there.

They have the rollbar back to front on that Miranda Class. I've seen people make that mistake before, the narrower end of the photon torpedo pod should point forwards and the wider part with the rounded projection should point aft.

I assume these are just the commercially available model kits. The NX-01 kit comes with the option to build the refit. I have one built in that format.

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I'm going to reconcile the Starfleet stuff with Icheb's fate in S1 by headcannoning that Seven stepped away before Janeway went full lock and load, but Icheb let Janeway go to the mat for him and actually got into the Academy. I'm also guessing this means Seven winds up in Starfleet at the end of this season or the start of the next. Big meh.

On that topic, Raffi urging Seven into Starfleet felt a little weird on the heels of last week's reveal that she manipulated Elnor into Starfleet because she didn't want to be alone. I know the intention is that she's sincere, but it just feels like she's pulling the same thing to keep Seven around. But then that's what happens when you decide to lump the reveal of a character's motivations and all of their actual character development in at the end of the season.

I liked Jurati out-maneuvering the Borg queen, but the way holo-Elnor was used didn't make a lot of sense, and the resolution of Raffi's guilt felt so cheap. Either let her talk it out with the real Elnor or let her carry the weight of her choices if he's staying dead, but don't half-ass it.

The reveal of what happened with Picard's mother was...fine, I guess. I honestly don't care at this point; we've been treading water on that particular mystery long enough that most of my anticipation had already fizzled out.

The episode was just OK overall. I think I'd be feeling a lot more generous if we'd gotten to this point earlier in the season or made better use of the characters, but right now, I'm just in "let's get this done with" stage. I am interested in what this means for Queen Agnes, though. I'm guessing they get back to their own timeline, there's the remnants of the Borg Collective out there, but also Agnes and her Borg Cooperative have been zipping around in the Delta Quadrant, which is what the new Stargazer makes first contact with in ep 1. I've got some reservations if that's the case, but we'll see how it turns out.
 
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All I can think is how the entire angle with Yvette means that Jean-Luc had to live with just Maurice (and Robert probably returned and made his life hell) until he was old enough to join Starfleet. All this opens the door WIDELY for father/son trauma that can (and most likely will) be explored in season 3 with that rumored “Picard has a son” angle.
 
Interesting episode.
The other alternative is that Jurati somehow convinces the Queen she's wrong, but that seems less cathartic/realistic when handling a ruthless, unrepentant despot.
Welp, this was the path they chose. They redeemed the Borg Queen of all people, but I'm not entirely convinced by how that transpired. There wasn't an organic buildup to that moment; Jurati gives a brief speech and, somehow, manages to talk down someone that two minutes earlier was knee deep in a villainous monologue about how pathetic love is. At least with someone like Vader, the cracks in his facade were showing.

While redemption was not my favored resolution here, I wish there would have been more time for this development to bake in the oven. Oh well. At least they referenced that one line from "Endgame" where the Queen calls Seven her favorite.

Looking forward to seeing what happens with Q.
 
Interesting episode.

Welp, this was the path they chose. They redeemed the Borg Queen of all people, but I'm not entirely convinced by how that transpired. There wasn't any organic buildup to that moment; Jurati gives a brief speech and, somehow, manages to talk down someone that two minutes earlier was knee deep in a villainous monologue about how pathetic love is. While redemption was not my favored resolution here, I wish there would have been more time for this development to bake in the oven. Oh well.

Looking forward to seeing what happens with Q.

I don't think it would have worked for me at all if Jurati hadn't led with her supposition that the Borg always lose. I like to think she stabbed the resolution of every Borg episode of Voyager into the Queen's cerebral cortex simultaneously.
 
‪‪George Miller made every Mad Max movie, and he also made the climate-change warning animated children’s films of the Happy Feet series.
My favorite of his is when Babe the Pig sprays silver paint on his snout and screams "Witness Me!" before trying and failing to pole vault onto a hijacked tanker truck full of all of Farmer Hoggett's concubines during the aporkalypse. A disappointed Farmer Hoggett just says "That was mediocre, pig. That was mediocre."

I also like when Robert Wise made that movie about the Von Trapp family singers trying to escape Austria before V'Ger took over.
 
I don't think it would have worked for me at all if Jurati hadn't led with her supposition that the Borg always lose. I like to think she stabbed the resolution of every Borg episode of Voyager into the Queen's cerebral cortex simultaneously.
I guess. It just seems unusual that Jurati is the tipping point here, not her multiple deaths or the fact that her empire was destroyed—not merely crippled as in "Endgame"—by the Confederation. It would have helped if they played up the trauma she endured by that loss throughout the season, instead of playing her straight as an evil megalomaniac for 8.8/10 episodes.
 
Confederation has mobile emitter tech, interesting

I'm going to reconcile the Starfleet stuff with Icheb's fate in S1 by headcannoning that Seven stepped away before Janeway went full lock and load, but Icheb let Janeway go to the mat for him and actually got into the Academy. I'm also guessing this means Seven winds up in Starfleet at the end of this season or the start of the next. Big meh.

Seven was also a Borg a hell of a lot longer than Icheb was.
 
They have the rollbar back to front on that Miranda Class. I've seen people make that mistake before, the narrower end of the photon torpedo pod should point forwards and the wider part with the rounded projection should point aft.
Hm that is odd. In that bottom image the ship still appears to have the warp governor where it would be in the Pre-Refit configuration, not where it actually is on the refit.

It’s like the model maker got the refit conversion kit, but didn’t do it completely.
Both are models this kid is building. He modifies them the way he wants! Maybe he was in the process of turning the original NX-01 into the refit, and being a kid, didn't know the finer details of Miranda pod orientations... ...or didn't care ;)
 
I just shouted "This show sucks" while watching this garbage.

Please tell me how I'm just a troll and a hater. Because this can't possible be a real opinion with a show this good.......
 
The designer of the refit worked on this season.


It was never guaranteed the refit would appear in Season 5. Drexler proposed the idea of the ship getting a refit, but the show was cancelled before he got any word back.

He also didn’t settle on the current design of the refit until years after the show ended.
I am very well aware of the history of the ship. But there is a group in fandom who believe this was an approved design that was created before the end of season 4, that was just waiting to be used design, which is utter bullocks. Since it wasn't ever designed before the series ended, and the fact that when he did create it for pocket books years later, it was done in a way that is with very few exceptions not how a ship makes it into live action (at least up to that point). In that case you would submit design and it would (for a hero ship) go through a ton of revisions based upon the producers of the show, and would very likely have significant changes if it was ever approved). Really the only major exception to this that was a featured (It could happen for background ships or repurposed existing models) ship (absolutely not a hero ship) was them using Bill George's already made Pasteur in "All Good Things".

For myself I just didn't like the design. I thought it made the form look really unattractive. And as a bridge design, to get closer to the 1701, I thought the official design did that. Based on the look of the other ships between The first warp ship, the various prototypes and the things like the SS Conestoga, that the look we got was a good partial progression and left another 80 years or so for designs to get to where the 1701 starts. I thought it was a jump to far and too fast to get closer to the 1701.
 
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