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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x09 - "Hide and Seek"

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Loved it..! The whole Picard flashback/trauma is fantastic, very emotional.... and it's apparant now that the mysterious Borg ship encountered at the end of The Star Gazer was in fact La Sirena after 400 years of Borg evolution (or at least, something like that). Yes, the Borg Queen IS part Jurati, which all in all is going to make for an incredible finale. And we still have Q's storyline to wrap up, and Renée's... The wheels are working, and it's all coming together.....

The fact that many people don't see how good this is, is frustrating sometimes, but it does not spoil my enjoyment of it... And I've enjoyed the hell out of this season, and cannot wait for next week..!
 
Hm that is odd. In that bottom image the ship still appears to have the warp governor where it would be in the Pre-Refit configuration, not where it actually is on the refit.

The NX-Refit looks better that way, imo. This ship is supposed to look primitive while simultaneously being a top of the line, state-of-the-art ship. And keeping the warp governor where it was pre-refit, while still refitting the ship with a secondary hull makes sense to me.

As for episode 9 of PIC, aside from Picard's childhood, and the Voyager references, and Picard facepalming upon learning that Rios let Teresa & Ricardo onto the ship, I wasn't feeling this episode at all.

- I like Teresa and I like Rios, but this romance storyline is just horrible. And Teresa can just easily use a tricorder with Romulan language easily, when she was uncertain about a different futuristic medical device to use on comatose Picard a couple of episodes earlier?
- Raffi finally discusses her thoughts on Elnor to ... a hologram of Elnor
- Kind of surprised that Rios warned Adam Soong that the Confederation phaser explodes. Since no Adam Soong probably means the Confederation will have a different development.
- So the La Sirena crew had the ability to program a hologram all this time, with its own mobile emitter, and never thought to activate it? Meaning they never needed to leave Jurati alone with the Borg Queen to become Borgrati.
- Borgrati leaves with their ride back home and they all stand there, fine with that.
- With one episode left, there's a good chance that the 2024 arc continues into the S3 premiere won't it? Since there's a revisit to the Europa mission and Renee Picard, Kore Soong roaming LA, Adam Soong more or less on the run, Q and his illness, Rios and Teresa maybe saying their goodbyes, and the La Sirena crew needing to find a way home and redo the Stargazer mission to create a different outcome.
 
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I'm giving this ep a 10. It was great. There was good action and some good character moments. Things are really coming together. We got the resolution to Picard's mother. Yep, she took her own life as many here suspected and Picard blames himself because he let her out of the room. Tallin gave Picard a very nice speech about love being a gift. On the other front, we got to see the origins of the Borg we see in ep 1. Jurati-Borg will form a new Borg not based on forceful assimilation but on voluntary cooperation. I like what Jurati told the Queen: when the Borg assimilate by force, they always make enemies, species who will try to resist and eventually the Borg always lose. So why not adapt and try something new, forming a "collective" that is not coercive? Makes a lot of sense to me. So the Borg in ep 1 are that cooperative who come through the space anomaly wanting Picard's help.

And now on the finale.... Soong is the villain. He will try to stop the Europa mission. Our crew must stop him and restore the timeline. It will be interesting to see what it means "two renee's, one must die". I suspect it has something to do with the fact that both timelines must exist, one where Renee dies and becomes the confederation timeline and one where renee lives that becomes the federation timeline. You need both timelines for consistency since Picard and crew timetravelled from the confederation timeline.

The show seems to be setting up where "our" Borg were decimated after the events of Voyager but we will get a new Borg going forward, from an alt timeline, who will be more of a cooperative and eventually become friends with the Federation.

Also nice Voyager reference that Seven tried to join Starfleet but was rejected because of her Borg connection and Janeway even threatened to resign to try to get her in to Starfleet. But it failed and that is why Seven joined the Rangers. So we got the backstory on that.
 
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With one episode left, there's a good chance that the 2024 arc continues into the S3 premiere won't it? Since there's a revisit to the Europa mission and Renee Picard, Kore Soong roaming LA, Adam Soong more or less on the run, Q and his illness, Rios and Teresa maybe saying their goodbyes, and the La Sirena crew needing to find a way home and redo the Stargazer mission to create a different outcome.

I think most will resolve next week.

I think the Rios/Teresa story can be resolved easily because they’ve really already said goodbye. But it doesn’t feel complete. It could be easily dealt with Rios having to stay behind to let the others escape. Or he just leaves. Not sure.

Europa, Renee, Kore and Soong can easily be taken care of in the same plot line.

The one story I’m not so sure about completing this season is Q. At this point I’m almost certain he has to be their ticket home. Because what other option do they have? He could use his last energy to send them home but the entire idea of him dying really feels like a larger story to me. And apparently when he was announced it was for seasons two and three.
 
They needed a way for him to be able to beat up the soldiers, but still have a physically obvious way of losing to the Queen, without the plot hole of why the Queen wouldn't just shoot out the holoemitters the moment he appeared.

My question would be how did Elnor's hologram end up with a mobile emitter?
VOY's Doctor acquired it in 'The Future's End' courtesy of Henry Starling who made it from the technology of the Timeship Aeon (which was from the 29th century).
In turn, the La Sirena we saw here was from the Confederation timeline (not UFP)... and given that it was mentioned in episode 2 that there is no notable mention of time travel technology for the Confederation... how did Elnor get a mobile emitter in the first place?

Unless the same timey whimey schenanigans that allowed Picard and his team to retain their memories of UFP timeline (probably by Q, or the Borgati or whatever else) retained the La Sirena from that timeline too (or at least with some internal database of it), which would only then make sense, because it is probable that SF managed to reproduce the mobile emitter and used it as the need arose.

But that's a far cry stretch of thinking if you ask me.

Plus, there's another inconsistency here. Where was Picard's brother (Robert) during all those recollection times?
The series treats him as if he never existed (not even a mention that he might be away or something).

As for the rest of what transpired... I had a thought something like this would transpire with the Queen and Jurati.
Now the only unresolved issues are Q, Soong (his daughter) and the Picard's team return to the future... which will probably be affected by Q... or Tallin will manage to provide her ship (if she has one).

In fact... on that note...given Q's loss of his powers, its possible that Tallin will provide them with a ship to get back to the future... and the team will take Q with them (who will probably be used to calculate the time vectors needed to return).

Also, some people here mentioned that Q 'must' have retained some of his powers given his insertion into FBI, VR and doing other things.

I posit that this is not necessarily accurate. With or without powers, Q still has access to all his knowledge (or most of it).
This would have been MORE than enough to allow him to manipulate technology of the early 21st century and grant him access to all kind of things.
After all, programming an interactive version of himself in VR would have likely been a piece of cake for him, and he may have put some things into motion by using his powers before he began losing them.

Similarly, he could have hacked into the FBI and given himself high level access.

Plus, when he contacted Soong, he was using technology to do everything.
So, all of the things we saw Q do in the 21st century were likely technology assisted because he has ridiculous amount of knowledge of any species in existence still in his (increasingly mortal) brain.
 
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The IMDB profiles of the two writers for this episode:

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These do not look like profiles of experienced writers.
One writer previously worked on an IMDb TV original action crime comedy-drama,
before that he did not work as a writer for 18 years.
The other writer wrote two short movies.

At least you can say they didn't work on "Desperate Housewives" or "My Little Pony" (two writes of previous Picard episodes did), or that they have a least some writing experience (for one writer, writing for Picard was his first writing job).

I’m sure someone has pointed this out already, but how many writing credits did Ronald D. Moore have before writing Star Trek? What about Brannon Braga? Rene Echevarria? Naren Shankar? Robert Hewitt Wolfe? Bryan Fuller? Robert Doherty? I could go on and on… :rolleyes:
 
My question would be how did Elnor's hologram end up with a mobile emitter?

Like you mentioned, the "original" emitter was from the 29th Century, and there apparently is no time travel in the Confederation timeline. I don't recall them ever saying *when* mobile emitter tech was invented, so the technology itself could have been old hat in the 29th Century. My assumption is that mobile emitters are just technology that the Confederation invented on their own accord.
 
"I used to imagine seeing her older, offering me a cup of tea, and asking for a chat" :D

So his dad really looked like that and he did not recognize him :shrug:
And where was Robert all this time?
I wonder what they’re referring to? :)
 
So ol' Locutus of Borg - destroyer of dozens of Starfleet vessels, slayer of thousands of Starfleet officers and civilians, was fine and dandy to pick up where he left off commanding the flagship of The Federation a few days after disconnecting from the hive and a bit of nip / tuck courtesy of Doc Crusher.

But Seven? Disconnected from the hive for years; proven herself a loyal and valued member of Voyager's crew, whose contributions to saving the ship on more than one occasion lead to the circumstances of Endgame in which The Borg - The Federation's most lethal enemy - were crippled? Yeeeeah - sorry. IDIC? I think not. :lol:

Anyway. What a mess of a season. It was cringeworthy listening to the dialogue Spiner and Stewart exchanged, considering how many wonderful scenes they shared together in the past - and now this. Jesus.
 
So ol' Locutus of Borg - destroyer of dozens of Starfleet vessels, slayer of thousands of Starfleet officers and civilians, was fine and dandy to pick up where he left off commanding the flagship of The Federation a few days after disconnecting from the hive and a bit of nip / tuck courtesy of Doc Crusher.

But Seven? Disconnected from the hive for years; proven herself a loyal and valued member of Voyager's crew, whose contributions to saving the ship on more than one occasion lead to the circumstances of Endgame in which The Borg - The Federation's most lethal enemy - were crippled? Yeeeeah - sorry. IDIC? I think not. :lol:

Picard was only Locutus for a couple of days. And Starfleet did have a problem with Picard returning to duty. It's probably why Picard is on leave right after BOBW in the ep "Family". And remember that in First Contact which was years after BOBW, Starfleet does not want the Enterprise joining the fight against the Borg cube headed to Earth. Picard even tells Riker that starfleet has no issue with the Enterprise or its crew fighting the Borg, but they are concerned with putting Picard in that situation again. The strong implication is that Starfleet thinks Picard is a liability, that somehow he will either turn or the Borg will control him again and use him against Starfleet.

Seven, on the other hand, was a full fledged drone for decades, from childhood. And she was the favorite of the Queen too. Yes, she was disconnected from the Collective and proved herself many times on Voyager but as others stated, if Starfleet didn't want Picard fighting the Borg in FC when he was only assimilated for a couple days, there would be even more reluctant to have a former Borg drone who was a drone her entire adult life. So it makes sense. Also, Starfleet may be concerned about how Seven would be treated by others. After all, many of the people at Starfleet might have lost people assimilated by the Borg. Seven would be a reminder of that. There could be a lot of animosity towards Seven. Perhaps, Starfleet's main concern was not that Seven would be disloyal or a security threat but that she would face harassment by others.
 
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