*insert hanging chad joke here*Who the Hell voted for Robert Chen anyway?
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x08 - "Mercy"
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Good for you
The only bit I didn't like was the cheesey light flickering bloody nose horror trope stuff. I'm fine with her showing some of her alluded to imp powers
He knows how to fight.
I read a comic where Clark explained that Pa Kent taught him how to box when he was a teen, even though Muhammad Ali handed him his ass in 1978.
Pre-Crisis Superman and Jimmy Olsen used to fight crime under a red sun inside the bottle city of Kandor, using the secret identities of Flame bird and Nightwing.
I was only talking about receiving an appropriate period of adjustment to cope with an unexpected change.
I think we saw through Seven's eyes on Voyager once, the one where the invisible aliens were performing medical experiments on the crew, and everything was a darker pall of green.
She should have been blinded in the second episode screaming about how there are too many colours everywhere.
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I thought the “summoning Q” scene was so stupid but outside that I like young Guinean. The actress playing her is really good.
That means that young Guinan would become Picard's love interest.
Which would mean that Old Guinan would hook up with young Picard the moment she met him, and they would have been together for most of TNG.
Then we get a montage of TNG with Guinan added as his girlfriend/wife all along.
BUT TIMETRAVEL DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT HERE!
2367 Picard goes back and meets 1893 Guinan paradoxing 2024 Guinan who can't meet Confederate Picard because that timeline is no longer dominant.
If Rios stays, he is dead.
I don’t want to accuse the Borg Queen of being evil and manipulative but there’s a chance she’s lying.
Carbon Creek said there would be another survey in 20 years. That’s spot on for the timeline.
There’s also the possibility that having been “mind controlled” before is allowing her to fight it more.
indeed. He would need to train without his powers, though, otherwise it would be impossible to do it properly, which would mean intentionally exposing himself to a red sun ray generator. This would mean being powerless if something comes up while he’s training, but I guess that with some careful planning it could be done, the most obvious way that comes to mind would be installing a red sun generator in the batcave and rely on Batman for his training.
He needs to pop down to Kandor and train with Nightwing and Flamebird.
I was thinking the same: eliminate the so far totally useless Talin, give a transporter to Guinan and use seven a bit more.
Also, the queen coordinates of where things would change were of Guinan bar, Guinan pointed to Talin, Talin pointed to Renee. Something doesn’t add up here!
I don’t see any hint that Talin is a love interest. She looks like Laris, but she is a different person.
Why not? That's exactly what she is.
It also would have given the writers a chance to add a new dimension to the Picard / Guinan relationship which would have been much better filler than what we have been seeing. Talin/Laris has been a useless distraction so far.
That’s exactly my point. The poster I was replying to was asking why she would work with Soong. I’m making the point she isn’t working with him she’s manipulating him.
Picking up steam again, me likey. A lot of questions were answered, and we've been left with truly interesting ones to keep the cogs in our brains turning for the next two weeks. We learned Q's doing what he's doing because he's dying. It makes me wonder whether the penance he talked about is Picard's or his own. But we still don't quite understand what exactly he's doing. Does he change the timeline because he wants Picard to figure out how to save it? The key words are humans being stuck in the past, and that the trap is immaterial and it's the escape that counts... is the way the timeline is being interfered with as Picard's working to save it Q's very own, dynamically evolving version of an escape room for him?
Also, how much of an outside interference is the Borg Queen now? Is she an unpredictable new variable in this, or is her interference the actual point of this whole exercise, eventually circling all back to what happened back on the Stargazer? Are Q's words about "a timeline of their own making" about Picard's bringing the Borg Queen back to the 21st century being the catalyst for changing the timeline?
And what is Kore's role in all of this? Did Q cure her to put Soong in a devastated and desperate mood enough that he'd readily accept the Queen's deal with the devil? Or maybe Kore herself is the key? Without her being cured, Soong would be able to keep the truth about his experiments hidden from the world (the board that denied him funding - to me, at least - seemed to be under the impression that he was using illegal research to cure a naturally born, only daughter), but if Kore went public about what he really did, it might just discredit him forever and they wouldn't reach out to him even if Renée's mission failed... AAAAH, like I said, too many possible outcomes, I can't wait to find out.
There's one piece of info that worries me though, about the extremophile lifeform Renée is supposed to find on Io somehow rendering Soong's work obsolete. What does this mean? I really, REALLY hope it won't end up as a microbe that eats greenhouse gases, because it would send the worst possible message regarding global warming, and play right into the hands of the enterpreneurs currently trying to monetize carbon scrubbing technology as a be-all and end-all to fix climate change without actually having to do anything about it. Still, for now, we're missing a piece of the puzzle we're probably getting soon.
Yeah, what else? Things that everybody else said, I guess: Pill, de Lancie and Spiner carried the episode on their backs with their stellar villainous and/or anti-villainous performances (like they've always done in the season), Raffi and Seven's fighting was heart-wrenching to watch with both their emotional wounds being laid bare, and Rios just keeps digging himself deeper and deeper.
Speaking of Rios, I keep scratching my head at the relatively common opinion on the internet, that his stupid decision to involve Teresa and Ricardo in all of this is stupid writing because it endangers the integrity of the timeline. But why does a character making stupid choices automatically mean that the writers are stupid? It reminds me of that exchange on tumblr on the nature of plot holes that basically boiled down to "a plot hole is when a character doesn't do what I thought they were going to do or what I thought they should've done." Why does this character make an emotional judgment consistent with their personality and morality as opposed to doing the most rationally obvious logical choice appropriate to the situation? STUPID WRITERS!
Also, how much of an outside interference is the Borg Queen now? Is she an unpredictable new variable in this, or is her interference the actual point of this whole exercise, eventually circling all back to what happened back on the Stargazer? Are Q's words about "a timeline of their own making" about Picard's bringing the Borg Queen back to the 21st century being the catalyst for changing the timeline?
And what is Kore's role in all of this? Did Q cure her to put Soong in a devastated and desperate mood enough that he'd readily accept the Queen's deal with the devil? Or maybe Kore herself is the key? Without her being cured, Soong would be able to keep the truth about his experiments hidden from the world (the board that denied him funding - to me, at least - seemed to be under the impression that he was using illegal research to cure a naturally born, only daughter), but if Kore went public about what he really did, it might just discredit him forever and they wouldn't reach out to him even if Renée's mission failed... AAAAH, like I said, too many possible outcomes, I can't wait to find out.
There's one piece of info that worries me though, about the extremophile lifeform Renée is supposed to find on Io somehow rendering Soong's work obsolete. What does this mean? I really, REALLY hope it won't end up as a microbe that eats greenhouse gases, because it would send the worst possible message regarding global warming, and play right into the hands of the enterpreneurs currently trying to monetize carbon scrubbing technology as a be-all and end-all to fix climate change without actually having to do anything about it. Still, for now, we're missing a piece of the puzzle we're probably getting soon.
Yeah, what else? Things that everybody else said, I guess: Pill, de Lancie and Spiner carried the episode on their backs with their stellar villainous and/or anti-villainous performances (like they've always done in the season), Raffi and Seven's fighting was heart-wrenching to watch with both their emotional wounds being laid bare, and Rios just keeps digging himself deeper and deeper.
Speaking of Rios, I keep scratching my head at the relatively common opinion on the internet, that his stupid decision to involve Teresa and Ricardo in all of this is stupid writing because it endangers the integrity of the timeline. But why does a character making stupid choices automatically mean that the writers are stupid? It reminds me of that exchange on tumblr on the nature of plot holes that basically boiled down to "a plot hole is when a character doesn't do what I thought they were going to do or what I thought they should've done." Why does this character make an emotional judgment consistent with their personality and morality as opposed to doing the most rationally obvious logical choice appropriate to the situation? STUPID WRITERS!
I think I'm disappointed by Rios more than anything else. He's supposed to be smarter than this.
It doesn’t seem like it from their exchange in Penance.
It seems like Q is not responsible for the timeline change, so stopping Q’s interference is not the key to fixing it. As for who/what did change the timeline, I have no idea. I hope we get a satisfying answer.
I think a lot of it is that we're not getting much insight into his thought process, so it's hard to know why he is making the choices he does. Did he take Theresa and her kid to La Sirena just because he wants to impress them, to hell with the timeline? Or was it because Theresa was still expressing doubt and he wanted to convince her, so that she'd trust him and not call the cops or tell anyone what she knew - i.e. to protect the timeline? Or maybe a bit of both? There are arguments to be made both ways, but because he's been really isolated all season with no one to really talk to, we can't know for sure. The closest we've come to insight was that conversation with Raffi when she said he'd had a goofy smile on his face ever since he met Theresa and then warned him not to get attached because there's no future in it - which implies that the writers see this as purely a love story, that he's simply fallen for this woman and isn't thinking about anything else. But he's a starship captain and should also be thinking about the bigger picture - and if we were getting more insight into his thought process, I think it would add depth to what is coming across as a fairly superficial storyline. Then, in this episode - are they still on board because they decided to stay and look around for as long as this, or because the transporter is down and he now can't get them home? If we understood more of why Rios is making the choices he is, I think that would help to join a lot of storyline dots, so to speak.
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