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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x08 - "Mercy"

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Superman loses his Kryptonian powers and gets his ass kicked, because he just assumes he can still fight well, despite less strength, less durability and less speed.

Seven loses her Borg powers and holds her own in a fight, despite less strength, less durability and less speed.
 
Superman loses his Kryptonian powers and gets his ass kicked, because he just assumes he can still fight well, despite less strength, less durability and less speed.

Seven loses her Borg powers and holds her own in a fight, despite less strength, less durability and less speed.
Supes should learn to fight. Maybe Batman can teach him a judo move or two. I hear jujitsu is a good style too.
 
Supes should learn to fight. Maybe Batman can teach him a judo move or two. I hear jujitsu is a good style too.

Superman knows how to fight with super strength against a normal person.

He hits his opponent as softly as he can so that their heads are not cleared off their body.

In Superman Two he didn't know how hard to hit that bully, or what would happen if he was hit hard by a regular human when he did not have super invulnerability.
 
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She's has her Federation timeline memories, so what would being in a different body have to do with her martial knowledge?

Because she doesn't have 40 pounds of metal in her, to use as weight to push people around or take a punch, or resist being pushed over, or ignore some %uck trying to judo flip her who thinks she only weighs 120 pounds when she really weighs 160 pounds. Or when she tries to jump kick flip some one in the face, she jumps too high because she is 40 pounds lighter than she thinks she is and completely misses her target, not that she can jump that high anymore without Borg enhancement, because she doesn't have servos enhancing her strength to the point that she can punch through concrete

Functionally I only mean that it will take her time to relearn to fight now that she is lighter, weaker, slower, and less resilient. Give her 6 months to figure out what works and what does not work and she should be able to kill a man a little bigger and little stronger than she is with ease.
precisely. Martial arts depend a lot on knowing your body, even being out of shape because you haven’t practiced in a few months mean you could struggle doing stuff you used to do easily.

She shouldn't even be able to walk.
I guess this depends on how different her new body is. Also, she might have inherited some sort of muscle memory from confederation annika, perhaps

We're talking Shades of Grey filler material here.
no.

Then Guinan jumps the shark with her teleporting with a bloody nose to show how dangerous it is, just to tell Picard that the guy has issues. Ugh
telepathy. Which guinan never seemed to have before on TNG (I think she even says so when troi loses her). And the scene was quite cheesy, yes.
 
We're talking Shades of Grey filler material here.

I agree that this season has been a disappointment overall. But we haven't gotten to Shades of Gray level yet.

The first two episodes this season were utterly fantastic. Some of the best Trek we've seen since the 90s. Maybe including the 90s. But since then it's gone downhill fast. And Monsters was especially terrible and one of the worst episodes of Trek since the 90s.

But Shades of Gray? No.
 
"Shades of Grey(TNG)" is so much worse than what we're getting the comparison is ridiculous. Unless these episodes contain a lot of flashbacks and stock footage from the previous two seasons and we find out they were looking to use the smallest budget possible then I don't even remotely put them in similar categories.
 
Yeah, it would have made more sense for Picard to figure out Wells was a "haunted man" then to have Guinan sync her telepathy with the power outage (cause it?). Besides, Guinan said Wells was on a "personal" mission beforehand anyway.

Both the 'Q Summoning" nonsense and this were steps back for me. They add nothing to my appreciation of Guinan/El-Aurians. They're tacky, tropey scenes that don't fit.
 
I agree that this season has been a disappointment overall. But we haven't gotten to Shades of Gray level yet.

The first two episodes this season were utterly fantastic. Some of the best Trek we've seen since the 90s. Maybe including the 90s. But since then it's gone downhill fast. And Monsters was especially terrible and one of the worst episodes of Trek since the 90s.

But Shades of Gray? No.

I'm still getting over the whip lash. The first two episodes were some of the best Trek I've ever seen, after that the season fell off a cliff. I'm sure this sort of thing happened in 90s Trek but it wasn't as noticeable because each episode was stand-alone. It's a lot more jarring in a serialized season.

I just don't understand why they thought spending 6 episodes and counting in the present was a good idea. Nothing's happening! It feels like the creative team came up with a concept / plot for the season that didn't have enough meat to it and then delegated filling in the rest down to junior writers. I wonder if folks over at Paramount are getting stretched too thin with all the new Trek shows going on at the same time.
 
We're talking Shades of Grey filler material here.
Really? That's an interesting statement seeing as how Shades of Grey had no connection to any past story, consisted of Riker looking bored or pained, and added nothing to actual character movement.

Shades of Grey level, eh? There must be nothing redeemable in this drek. Why bother finishing it out?
 
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I echo others who said the first two episodes were excellent, everything after that was meh. Part of the issue they are spending too much time in the present which just isn’t as interesting for me. I also don’t think they had enough material for 6 episodes in the present, could have easily been done in 2.
For me, it isn't the thinly stretched plot that's the problem. It's the failure to give anyone but Picard an actual character story that's truly about them, as individuals, picking up from where we left them last season. If the character journeys for the rest of the cast felt more organic, if more of the threads of who they were last season had been picked up and moved forward, everything else would be falling into place a lot better, I think. It wouldn't even have taken very much, I don't think. Take Rios, for example. He's had two character stories this season - the ICE arrest and the romance with Theresa - and both have been generic in the extreme, with no connection whatsoever to anything we learned of him in season one. Cabrera said in interviews that we'd see a different side of Rios this season, which at this point I am reading as a very diplomatic way of saying he'd been written almost as a different character entirely. Yet it would have taken very little to form a bit of connective tissue between the grumpy, depressive recluse we met last year and the Rios we're seeing this year. All it would have taken was for Theresa to recognise him as forces/ex-forces, leading to a few meaningful conversations about his discharge and reinstatement, an opportunity to tease out how he truly feels about it all, whether or not he has any regrets, any difficulties he's had adjusting. Throw in a mention or two of his having just got out of a semi-serious relationship and how he's still worried about his ex, and you've got a character story that's actually personal to him, developing out of what we already knew of him, which would make the arrest and romance stories feel more grounded and meaningful, less generic. And we could make similar arguments for the repetitive material Seven and Raffi have had, running around LA thrashing out their relationship issues while searching for missing crewmates - material that's much more personal to them, but it's been very circular with no real progress being made, and there's not much connective tissue to anything that came before to keep their story grounded - especially given the emphasis on Raffi's grief for Elnor, who she bonded with off-screen between seasons.

The biggest issue the season has, mind - well, apart from the fact that the most interesting stories the show has to tell all happened off-screen between seasons - is the impact of the covid shooting bubbles, keeping most of the cast apart for much of the season.
Superman loses his Kryptonian powers and gets his ass kicked, because he just assumes he can still fight well, despite less strength, less durability and less speed.

Seven loses her Borg powers and holds her own in a fight, despite less strength, less durability and less speed.
Exactly which fight do you think Seven held her own in? Because in the fight I saw in this episode, Borg-Jurati took her down immediately with one kick.
 
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Superman knows how to fight with super strength against a normal person.

He hits his opponent as softly as he can so that their heads are not cleared off their body.

In Superman Two he didn't know how hard to hit that bully, or what would happen if he was hit hard by a regular human when he did not have super invulnerability.
Which is why some martial arts training would be useful. Dude loses his power like once or twice a year. Plus it would come in handy when facing opponents of equal or greater strength,.
 
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