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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x08 - "Mercy"

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Time travel in this show gives me a headache.
Are we actually sure that Q is dying? He describes it as something new to him, but that doesn't necessarily mean death. The whole season has been about people's fears and how they influence decisions, what if he's supposed to get a lesson out of this as well?
If temporal distortions make Guinan sick as established here, she really should have been a bedridden mess even before her first appearance on TNG. Presumably this all ends in reestablishing Trek's status quo, which means Guinan knew all along that Q would eventually die or end up dying the entire time in TNG (unless she assumes that Picard show's Q is past Q and he just got better).
 
Interesting that Agnes can shrug off Borg assimilation to stop herself from killing (something many, many others in Trek including Picard were unable to do) while the same Agnes couldn't shrug off a mindmeld to prevent killing Maddox. That must be one very very weak assimilation the Borg Queen did. Except she's back to rampaging a minute later. The strength of the queen's control comes and goes with the plot.

I don't think Agnes was "controlled" when she killed Maddox. She was under alien influence, yes, but she made the choice due to the fear caused by the vision she was shown. She believed killing Maddox was the best thing to do to prevent that vision from happening. She cried as she killed him and said it was because of what she knew.

The vision of the synths destroying all life was also strong enough to disable a borg cube when they assimilated someone who had seen it, so it was apparently pretty powerful stuff.

Except she's back to rampaging a minute later. The strength of the queen's control comes and goes with the plot.

Yes, but it also makes sense from a story pov to me. Agnes is in there and a small part of her is able to fight back, like to prevent the BQ from killing her friend, but that doesn't mean she's going to be able to influence the BQ 100 percent of the time.
 
I know by direct connection, that Seven meant that she was hard wiring into a human brain rather than using wireless subspace connections... But the language seemed sexual, and it sorta seemed like they were saying that Jurati frakked that guy to death.
We're not off to assume Borg Jurati would have been sleeping with men as before this episode it was all about building endorphins or something. This episode shifted to her outright getting straight to the assimilation part and Seven's dialogue was supposed to cover up the subtle but still distinct shift in the writers' plotting. Regardless, if that guy was killed during sex they would have found him in a motel bedroom or something. It seems that endorphin plot was just an excuse for the song routine.
 
It was a lot better than last week, but I've been soured on this season so much that I'm probably much more harsh on the series then I should be. I need to sleep on this one, but at least there was some great progression this week, and I think it would have been great if one of the Vulcans was Mestral from Carbon Creek. I think they should have gone with the Relativity story more because the whole Vulcan thing just seemed so incredibly random. I do like that we finally know what has been going on with Q, even if I'm still really confused about how all this is tied together and then what happens on the Stargazer with the Queen calling for Picard. Hopefully the next two episodes answers those questions and we can actually leave LA. I still have my doubts though.

I ended up giving this episode a 7, but I was wondering if the idea of Q dying contradicts with the Voyager episode Death Wish. In that episode, Quinn wanted an assisted suicide because he couldn't die, and his whole argument was that the Q Continuum metaphorically speaking bored him to death. Now we get Picard and the revelation that Q is dying and I hope there is more to it then that because he's omnipotent. This was quite a reversal to what we know about Q.
 
Time travel in this show gives me a headache.
Are we actually sure that Q is dying? He describes it as something new to him, but that doesn't necessarily mean death. The whole season has been about people's fears and how they influence decisions, what if he's supposed to get a lesson out of this as well?
I don't believe he's dying at all.

Q loves tests and trials. Maybe this is really HIS test by an even higher being, and Picard & Co. are merely along for the ride. Many have likened this turn of events to the TNG ep "Deja Q", where he lost his powers back then. Instead of being punishment (or penance, as Q would call it), perhaps this is Q's chance to evolve in a way that only a Q can. I'm thinking he may very well be at the cusp of his own ascension and the final episode will see a shockingly tearful farewell from Picard once everyone realizes what's happening.
 
We're not off to assume Borg Jurati would have been sleeping with men as before this episode it was all about building endorphins or something. This episode shifted to her outright getting straight to the assimilation part and Seven's dialogue was supposed to cover up the subtle but still distinct shift in the writers' plotting. Regardless, if that guy was killed during sex they would have found him in a motel bedroom or something. It seems that endorphin plot was just an excuse for the song routine.

Vampires pretend it's about sex right up until the moment they eat you to death.

"Hard wire connection" implies she does something like sticking her finger into the mans brain through his skull... But as soon as she takes her finger out of his skull, or before that the person she's trying to create a connection with is dead.

Maybe she can quickly map and copy his consciousness before death, like a smash and grab?
 
Picard was lying to Wells. We all know he was doing the Vulcan Death Grip on him
Christine Chapel: "There's no such thing as a 'Vulcan Death Grip..." (See TOS S3 - "The Enterprise Incident" :nyah:

I gave it an 8.

It seems to be coming together nicely and a do like that they kept the Borg Queen true to form...she could care less about ANY minute inn the Earth timeline -- she always just saw the situation as a way for her to regain her power (and a Collective); and that's been her motivation all along.

It's also rather fun to have Trek be a little unpredictable as this episode had a couple of twists I was not expecting.

The final two episodes should be interesting.
 
I ended up giving this episode a 7, but I was wondering if the idea of Q dying contradicts with the Voyager episode Death Wish. In that episode, Quinn wanted an assisted suicide because he couldn't die, and his whole argument was that the Q Continuum metaphorically speaking bored him to death. Now we get Picard and the revelation that Q is dying and I hope there is more to it then that because he's omnipotent. This was quite a reversal to what we know about Q.

I hope they expand on things more. Assuming Q is telling the truth, it could be that "billions" of years have passed for him since we last saw him. Quinn may not have known that Q could naturally die, as it seemed like it came as a surprise to Q as well.
 
So Emory Erickson wasn't some pioneering inventor but just copied transporter tech from the Vulcans. And the Vulcans didn't even intervene when Erickson started experimenting on his own son to "invent" a transporter, even though it was meaningless as again the Vulcans already had the tech.

NX-01's fear of transporters now also seems even more absurd if the Vulcans had been using them safely for centuries.

Maybe it's better to retcon these guys as Romulans who secretly had transporter tech rather than actual Vulcans. Or the Vulcans were time travelers.
What?
ENT showed that the Vulcans already had higher tech that they weren't sharing with others. They had Warp 7 ships when the best human ship could manage Warp 5. There's no contradiction here in that if the Vulcans had higher tech they WEREN'T sharing it with anyone until after the Earth/Romulan War and the founding of the United Federation of Planets.
 
I forgot to mention I didn't like the Queen walking towards the camera in slow motion. Was like something out of the Fast and Furious movies.
 
Great episode, and this is setting up for an amazing resolution to this season, that is much more deeply layered than many are willing to admit.
Loved all the character moments, and the Seven/Raffi moments were just incredibly emotional and well written. Thought this was incredibly well done, and these last few episodes were like a lens slowly finding focus. You need a little patience for it I guess, but the reward will a great, clear, sharp picture in the end. And that's what we're getting.
 
Adam may seem much worse than Noonian but if you consider synths as sentient life forms, what happened with Kore and her predecessors isn't much different than Noonian going through a bunch of failed synths like B4 and Lore before Data.
 
What?
ENT showed that the Vulcans already had higher tech that they weren't sharing with others. They had Warp 7 ships when the best human ship could manage Warp 5. There's no contradiction here in that if the Vulcans had higher tech they WEREN'T sharing it with anyone until after the Earth/Romulan War and the founding of the United Federation of Planets.
The question that we should be asking is why was he beamed out during a mind meld? That is incredibly dangerous.
 
Very possibly. She has the surname of the greatest tyrant of the Eugenics Wars and Kore is the product of genetic research and engineering conducted in the immediate wake of those wars so I'm thinking there's a direct connection between them in terms of story theme.

Both PIC and SNW will directly or indirectly reference the Eugenics Wars.
 
Arguably everything that followed was Q's fault, although Regeneration did kinda retcon the invasion in BOBW as being due to a closed time loop from First Contact.

I always thought the idea was that the Borg ship seen in Q, Who? was on its way to alpha quadrant as a result of the distress call sent in Regeneration. Q just hastened humanity's encounter with them, as Guinan stated.
 
Both PIC and SNW will directly or indirectly reference the Eugenics Wars.
Picard hasn't really. Adam should not have so much trouble getting Kore's genome right considering decades ago people were made with healing blood and super powers.
I always thought the idea was that the Borg ship seen in Q, Who? was on its way to alpha quadrant as a result of the distress call sent in Regeneration. Q just hastened humanity's encounter with them, as Guinan stated.
Guinan was just going through the motions in Q Who. She obviously now knew all along that Picard would live to 95 and that Q would ultimately end up dying. :eek:
 
I always thought the idea was that the Borg ship seen in Q, Who? was on its way to alpha quadrant as a result of the distress call sent in Regeneration. Q just hastened humanity's encounter with them, as Guinan stated.

Yeah, what happened in Regeneration retconned first contact with the Borg in such a way that it was no longer "Q's fault" - which it arguably was up until said point.

But the point - if Q goes down this road - isn't about the Borg, it's about humanity. It's about realizing that he taught Picard (and thus humanity as a whole) the wrong lesson with the Borg.
 
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