Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Noname Given]

It might not be what they plan. But honestly, casting a guy who is nearly 40 as Kirk just seems like a bad idea unless you plan to utilize him in a broader fashion pretty soon. I also feel like they've sort of backed themselves into a corner now, as they can't really (provided he's the real deal Kirk, and not an imposter) reasonably recast again in this generation of Trek shows.

Or MAYBE they just cast him for a couple of episodes because at this point that's ALL they want top do with the character at this time.

They have Michelle Yeoh waiting on the sidelines for an opening slot of a new show (they're at their production limit until Picard ends production) - which they WANT and she WANTS to do (and IMO she has a whay larget 'acting pedegree' and exuisting fanbase than Paul Wesley)...

So yeah, again, I love all the theory casting that somehow Anson Mount MUST have quit after Season 1 filming wrapped and they're bringing in someone to play Kirk for the majority of Season 2...

Can I have some of what you're smoking? I need a good break from reality now.

What next? "Alex Kurtzman fired FOR REAL this time..." ??

 

[DigificWriter]

Actors with name recognition don't typically take guest spots regardless how how hard-up for work they are.

And,to be clear, I don't think this means that Anson Mount is being replaced; I think it signals that SNW isn't really the "Pike's Entrrprise" show it was supposed to be and is actually more TOS 2.0, and I think that's a bad idea because it's boring, uninteresting, and disingenuous.

 

[urbandefault]

Star Trek Phase II. Kirk, Xon, etc. No Spock. Runs in rotation with SNW, Disco, Picard, Lower Decks, Prodigy.

Just throwing it out there.

 

[Tuskin38]

Actors with name recognition don't typically take guest spots regardless how how hard-up for work they are.

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

Michelle Yeoh was a guest spot in Discovery Season 1.

 

[DigificWriter]

Michelle Yeoh was a guest character in Discovery Season 1.

No, she wasn't.

They treated her like a Series Regular on a credited-per-appearance basis, similarly to John Glover's Lionel Luthor on Smallville for a few seasons.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Star Wars tv shows now seem cameo restrained by comparison, that's saying a lot.

Nah. TV Wars bread and butter is cameos. Trek still behind Wars. But isn't that always the case?

 

[eschaton]

Or MAYBE they just cast him for a couple of episodes because at this point that's ALL they want top do with the character at this time.

They have Michelle Yeoh waiting on the sidelines for an opening slot of a new show (they're at their production limit until Picard ends production) - which they WANT and she WANTS to do (and IMO she has a whay larget 'acting pedegree' and exuisting fanbase than Paul Wesley)...

So yeah, again, I love all the theory casting that somehow Anson Mount MUST have quit after Season 1 filming wrapped and they're bringing in someone to play Kirk for the majority of Season 2...

Can I have some of what you're smoking? I need a good break from reality now.

What next? "Alex Kurtzman fired FOR REAL this time..." ??

I am not saying that Mount has been fired/will quit. I'm just saying by casting Kirk they've backed themselves into a corner regarding reviving the character. They could choose to do nothing further with him at all, but if they're going to do something further with Kirk, it's going to be with this dude, which means to some degree they're going to have to follow his schedule rather than when Mount & Co are willing to hang up their spurs.

 

[Jinn]

Actors with name recognition don't typically take guest spots regardless how how hard-up for work they are.

Paul Wesley guest-starred in an episode of the anthology series Medal of Honor, just a year after his eight year stint on The Vampire Diaries.

 

[Noname Given]

Actors with name recognition don't typically take guest spots regardless how how hard-up for work they are.

And,to be clear, I don't think this means that Anson Mount is being replaced; I think it signals that SNW isn't really the "Pike's Entrrprise" show it was supposed to be and is actually more TOS 2.0, and I think that's a bad idea because it's boring, uninteresting, and disingenuous.

William Shatner - Narrator of a variety of small Scholastic films made for High School students in the 70s would like a word with you.

And in looking at his filmogragy, his career hasn't really been 'blowing up' with high profile roles that last few years and he has a TON of small TV "walk on" roles he's done over the course of his career. He also seems more interested in doing stuff behind the camera of late

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wesley_filmography

So yeah, sorry, I don't see him as: "He's ONLY hired for major/leading roles on TV."

He's a genre name because he had a long stint on one long running TV series - "The Vampire Diaries".

 

[eschaton]

Star Trek Phase II. Kirk, Xon, etc. No Spock. Runs in rotation with SNW, Disco, Picard, Lower Decks, Prodigy.

Just throwing it out there.

This would be my favored solution to the issue. I do worry having a "Phase II" and Strange New Worlds playing at once would be difficult however, as the two wouldn't be that different in terms of tone/structure.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I am not saying that Mount has been fired/will quit. I'm just saying by casting Kirk they've backed themselves into a corner regarding reviving the character. They could choose to do nothing further with him at all, but if they're going to do something further with Kirk, it's going to be with this dude, which means to some degree they're going to have to follow his schedule rather than when Mount & Co are willing to hang up their spurs.

I'm pretty sure they have a long term plan for SNW. A plan that probably included Kirk from day one. Mount being the lead for just a few seasons (more than likely why he signed up) and then transitioning to Kirk is the plan.

 

[eschaton]

I'm pretty sure they have a long term plan for SNW. A plan that probably included Kirk from day one. Mount being the lead for just a few seasons (more than likely why he signed up) and then transitioning to Kirk is the plan.

Though if this is the case, one wonders why it starts up again almost immediately after Season 2 of Discovery. That's a full seven years (the standard seven Trek years!) before Kirk took command. If they were going to go with only a few years of Pike all along, better to set it like three years prior to Where No Man Has Gone Before, no?

 

[UssGlenn]

I'm pretty sure they have a long term plan for SNW. A plan that probably included Kirk from day one. Mount being the lead for just a few seasons (more than likely why he signed up) and then transitioning to Kirk is the plan.

Exactly. We know that it was a bit of an logistical ordeal to get Mount to do a series since he doesn't want to be away from his family. For all we know his contract is a one year at a time thing. They now have a Kirk they can bring in whenever they want. Hell, we don't even know if 2265 really is the first year of Kirk commanding the Enterprise. He and Spock aren't buddies in WNMHGB but Spock already calls him Jim. They don't even need to change the name of the show. Also Kirk being a Captain already means he outranks Una, so she could be his first officer for a bit if Romijn doesn't want to leave yet.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Though if this is the case, one wonders why it starts up again almost immediately after Season 2 of Discovery. That's a full seven years (the standard seven Trek years!) before Kirk took command. If they were going to go with only a few years of Pike all along, better to set it like three years prior to Where No Man Has Gone Before, no?

Does it? I thought 2260 was the time frame? So lets say Pike tenure is three years, making it 2263 when he leaves. Kirk takes command and has a couple of years of adventures until TOS proper starts. I don't think there's a hard date for Kirk taking command.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

Tom Hanks just did a one off cameo in 1883.

There is no threshold of success that precludes a big name actor from participating in smaller/non-lead roles, and in fact the biggest names do so from time to time.

 

[Trekker4747]

I (and many others) predicted this hundreds of pages ago. Bringing in Kirk was catnip these people couldn't avoid, and we knew it.

Tptb are addicted to fanwankery, I swear.

Been watching since the 60s and I'd be fine! with a show that just blazed its own trail and wasn't rife with shoutouts. It takes you out of the story/show, kind of, doesn't it.

Makes more sense with SNW, that we'd see a young Uhura, M'Benga, etc. The Khan thing is overdoing it. "Hey, and . . . let's throw in a Khan somehow!" "Yeah, cool."

I mean they and many of the people on this board make the case that for the audience they're going for, the general public, all the self-referential stuff is on deaf ears, right? I guess it's to make squee a segment of the audience, cuz why not, even if it doesn't resonate with the general audience.

It bugged me then and bugs me now that they couldn't let DSC just . . . go discover shit. Had to be the Spock family saga. Which has been jettisoned. Remember when Burnham was quasi-Vulcan-logicky?

And as to SNW being TOS 2.0, that of course is what it was designed to be. To appease ppl like me, ha ha! But again from an artistic point it bugs me.

TPTB: "Let's have Pike and crew going off to strange new wor ... HEY, HERE'S JIM KIRK!!"

Cue squeeing fans. Some. Not too many here though. Maybe a miscalculation?

Squeeing fans is all they want, it gets them to subscribe to streaming services.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Squeeing fans is all they want, it gets them to subscribe to streaming services.

Seems like a solid business plan.

 

[ThankQ]

You not bring able to see the residual value of having co-headlined a long-running series based on an incredibly popular series of novels doesn't mean said value doesn't exist.

If all you're looking to do is cast the role of Kirk for a couple of guest appearances, you don't hire somebody with name recognition, regardless of how obscure said person may or may not currently be.

The ratings have been revealed for the series finale episode of The Vampire Diaries and the show reached its best numbers in over a year!

1.19 million people tuned in to see how the show wrapped up and it received a 0.5 demo rating, which means that 0.5% of all television equipped households in the 18-49 age range were watching the show.

The ratings marked a 58-week high in the total audience and a 54-week high in the demo, according to TV Line.


How are we defining "name recognition" these days? Compared to me?

 

[Yistaan]

Does it? I thought 2260 was the time frame? So lets say Pike tenure is three years, making it 2263 when he leaves. Kirk takes command and has a couple of years of adventures until TOS proper starts. I don't think there's a hard date for Kirk taking command.

Hell, we don't even know if 2265 really is the first year of Kirk commanding the Enterprise.

Actually, we more or less have known that since 1966's Menagerie.

KIRK: I took over the Enterprise from him. Spock served with him for several years.
SPOCK: Eleven years, four months, five days.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Actors with name recognition don't typically take guest spots regardless how how hard-up for work they are..

This is so wrong that it's opposite of the truth.