Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x02 - "Penance"

[Tuskin38]

Please elaborate...

I did in the post you quoted

 

[Weyoun 251]

I doubt it has anything to do with Russia, though if it did I would be supremely disappointed at the level of myopia and Ameri-centrism employed by the writers in the age of an international community. The Cold War narrative is only dated as long as we don't return to it (which we surely are). Think larger, and think closer to home. Expand your awareness.

To put it a little more bluntly: there is only one country who has used nuclear weapons on another country. It isn't Russia.

Agreed that it isn't in the series going to be stated as such. More just me extrapolating my half cocked idea

 

[Amaris]

Agreed that it isn't in the series going to be stated as such. More just me extrapolating my half cocked idea

It's cool. There's plenty of room for swinging around idea cocks, half and full.

 

[jackoverfull]

In President Annika's computer it mentions that the Confederation is prepared to use a Metreon Cascade on Vulcan. Does this mean General Janeway went on a rampage through the Delta Quadrant and brought back all kinds of terrifying technology of mass destruction? In that case does it mean she's the one that defeated the Borg? Shouldn't she be the one aiming the phaser at the Queen on Extermination Day?

sell, one interesting built is that the borg queen mentioned that Annika ESCAPED assimilation, so it seems she almost was and possibly her parents still were (in fact, big missed opportunity: showing her parents alive and well in this reality)

No, no, no, what I mean is hopefully they don't have something in there that would be dated right now and also dated when we get to the actual 2024.

oh, I see.

I don't think what's going on right now will de-escalate and, if it changes, it'll get worse. I'd love to be wrong, mind you. This is one Internet Argument I don't want to win.

I know what you mean. Still hoping this conflict will remain somewhat local and actually end up bringing a more United EU together knbut right now it’s hard to do predictions.

That thought occurred but I don't think that they'd have the cojones to do that.

yeah, definitely not going to touch today’s politics anywhere this directly.

 

[fireproof78]

in fact, big missed opportunity: showing her parents alive and well in this reality)

She killed them.

 

[Deks]

Yeah, but, if you read upthread, we were specifically talking about the Enterprise herself.

Someone said, "Actually, they didn't do it with the Enterprise, they did it with a Bird-of-Prey!" Obviously referring to TVH. Then someone else said they did it on TOS. Then I listed the examples. And then I thought, "Wait a minute, isn't there another one?", which brings us back... to here!

I think the maneuver itself counts rather than the ship it was done in.
Picard mentioned it was one of the more 'crude' methods of time travel, so it can be applied to any ship, provided you have an intelligence needed to calculate temporal trajectory.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

I'm seeing complaints already that Picard shouldn't have bled because he's a synth.

If you prick him, does he not... leak?

 

[fireproof78]

If you prick him, does he not... leak?

Data did not...at least when Lilly shot him.

 

[Weyoun 251]

It's cool. There's plenty of room for swinging around idea cocks, half and full.

But is their room to swing a cat?

And how much would Grudge fuck you up if you tried?

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

In President Annika's computer it mentions that the Confederation is prepared to use a Metreon Cascade on Vulcan. Does this mean General Janeway went on a rampage through the Delta Quadrant and brought back all kinds of terrifying technology of mass destruction? In that case does it mean she's the one that defeated the Borg? Shouldn't she be the one aiming the phaser at the Queen on Extermination Day?

Janeway got to kill all the Tuvixs at last year's Extermination Day.

She fking loves killing Tuvixs

 

[Kevman7987]

Janeway got to kill all the Tuvixs at last year's Extermination Day.

She fking loves killing Tuvixs

That must be how she relaxes on her days off.

 

[Tuskin38]

I saw this pointed out on TrekYards of all places, but if you turn on the subtitles (at least for the Canadian version) it says there should be a female voice talking about pollution during the orbital zoom down into France

Also Noticed, the Grid doesn't cover the entire planet, only areas where there isn't pollution.

 

[fireproof78]

It's nice to imagine a universe where SF Debris' psycho Janeway can become a reality.

"Every day is condescending bitch day...la la la..."

"Quiet, or I will give you another dose of the medical phaser."

"You know, I imagined the throne of unspeakable evil to be harder but you've made it quite comfortable. Do you have a catalog I could order from?"

 

[Noname Given]

A 9.
Liked this one a lot.

I also like they didn't go with the Trope of: Yes, they got to Rios ship and got away from the Fleet in the nick of time - and started their Time Travel shenanigans. (And yes, OF COURSE we all know that's ultimately what's going to happen; but I like it's not a clean A to B to C 'Berman style' TNG plot advancement.

Biggest disappointment: The fact the A.I. Cat didn't have a hand in assisting Jurati in getting past the security. (Hey, I'm a cat person...sue me .)

 

[UssGlenn]

How does the Mirror Universe have all the same characters even though the Point of Divergence is apparently further back than even Shakespeare?

I've actually got something for this. If we go with the theory that the Prime and Mirror universes are somehow linked to each other, then the choices people make affect the decision making of their counterpart. So half the time when you decide to date Person X it's because you want to date them, and half the time it's because your counterpart has already decided to date their counterpart. This can explain any kind of decision that doesn't make complete sense, it's because you are being subconsciously influenced by your counterpart. This would continue until the divergence was enough to break the link, as we know eventually happened, per Discovery.

Doesn't really help explain this divergent timeline, however.

 

[jackoverfull]

She killed them.

is this mentioned or you just made it up?

I saw this pointed out on TrekYards of all places, but if you turn on the subtitles (at least for the Canadian version) it says there should be a female voice talking about pollution during the orbital zoom down into France

Yes, it’s at the very beginning. I don’t think it’s mentioned if it’s female or otherwise, though.

Also Noticed, the Grid doesn't cover the entire planet, only areas where there isn't pollution.

ah, that was what I couldn’t really make up but was troubling me, seeing how uneven the grid was! Makes total sense: of course a fascist society would just think of the areas where the “worthy” ones live, leaving everyone else to die.

 

[fireproof78]

is this mentioned or you just made it up?

I'm making shit up.

 

[Tuskin38]

I wonder whos Borg skull that is in the study. I wonder if it's Hugh?

 

[jackoverfull]

I wonder whos Borg skull that is in the study. I wonder if it's Hugh?

wondered the same.

 

[Tuskin38]

It's also interesting, Evil Picard's android had a name, while the President's android had a number.