Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x02 - "Penance"

[Finn]

I've been processing the episode. I don't think it's a real divergent timeline...just a reality Q created, like in Q-pid. So much ridiculousness about that reality. What the hell happened to Earth for them to act that way and still have the main cast exist and manage to meet within a couple days..., especially with 2024 as a point of divergence??

That reality is far barbarous even by our standards...especially considering what's going on right now.

 

[Tuskin38]

I'm pretty sure it's connected to whatever this Europa program is we've seen. There's also a shot in one of the trailers of Rios in a suit, and in a background is something on the history of space travel.

I don't think it's a real divergent timeline...just a reality Q created,

If that were true the Borg queen wouldn't have mentioned a single event.

What the hell happened to Earth for them to act that way and still have the main cast exist and manage to meet within a couple days..., especially with 2024 as a point of divergence??

How does the Mirror Universe have all the same characters even though the Point of Divergence is apparently further back than even Shakespeare?

It's Star Trek, that's how.

 

[DEWLine]

Inherited privilege?

Exactly this.

 

[Amaris]

I've been processing the episode. I don't think it's a real divergent timeline...just a reality Q created, like in Q-pid. So much ridiculousness about that reality. What the hell happened to Earth for them to act that way and still have the main cast exist and manage to meet within a couple days..., especially with 2024 as a point of divergence??

That reality is far barbarous even by our standards...especially considering what's going on right now.

It's not that far fetched, honestly. Trek has always been more blunt and heavy handed about it, but the actions taken by the Confederation are actions taken by nations now, with the same lies told to their citizenry about safety and protection, and the same horrific bloodshed happening in places far away from the homeland, where unfiltered eyes can't really see.

To bring a little real news into it, Reuters reported that several social media sites, like Facebook, and Instagram, will allow people to make threats, calls for violence, against Russians (primarily officials and functionaries), without being reprimanded for it:

The social media company is also temporarily allowing some posts that call for death to Russian President Vladimir Putin or Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, according to internal emails to its content moderators.

"As a result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine we have temporarily made allowances for forms of political expression that would normally violate our rules like violent speech such as 'death to the Russian invaders.' We still won't allow credible calls for violence against Russian civilians," a Meta spokesperson said in a statement.

(Read it here if interested).

Seems like a little two minute hate, IMO.

As for meeting so quickly, I would wager Q set it up that way to give Picard and company what advantages he felt necessary. In truth, had they not been able to come together this way quickly, they would have been murdered before they could have accomplished anything.

 

[fireproof78]

How does the Mirror Universe have all the same characters even though the Point of Divergence is apparently further back than even Shakespeare?

It's Star Trek, that's how.

Hahaha. I love this answer. It's beautiful

 

[Bad Thoughts]

That reality is far barbarous even by our standards...especially considering what's going on right now

More barbarous, yes, but ironically better for the main human characters. Picard, Raffi, Seven, Jurati, and Rios aren't suffering. Arguably, some enjoy more power and prestige than in their original world. It's as if instead of being saints in paradise, they are demons in the inferno.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

If that were true the Borg queen wouldn't have mentioned a single event.

Why trust the Borg Queen?

 

[shapeshifter]

Well, that was a fun ride. I admit, I now kind of want a spinoff with Picard, Harvey and Prisoner Borg Queen.

So, Picard, Harvey and Prisoner Borg Queen walk into a bar.....

That reality is far barbarous even by our standards...especially considering what's going on right now.

A very good theory I've heard,

Spoiler: so good I am tagging it, RAYOR

that reality is based on who wins the next US Presidential Elections.

 

[Vger23]

I don’t get it. Why is STP such a good series while STD sucks more with every season the bring out? I mean sure, we are getting a lot of TNG/24th century Trek nostalgia and Stewart is still an amazing actor. But thats not all. Picard got the better screenplay, better dialogue and overall superior cinematic feeling over Disco.

I had some issues with season one which mainly derived from the fact that Picards behavior was off sometimes. I guess that was an conscious decision by Patrick Stewart to give his character a new edge. Season 2 Picard behaves much more like the character we’ve known for years and that makes
me really happy. Let’s hope it stays like this…

Well, I don' think it's that one is "good' and that one "sucks." I think it's that they are two different series with different themes / tones / desired results, written to appeal differently. When that happens, one may appeal to you. The other might not. Sometimes you're lucky and both appeal to you. Sometimes you're shit out of luck and you hate it all.

Stuff happens.

Something's bugging me now. They time-travelled three days into the past at the end of "The Naked Time" (TOS). "It is now three days ago." But did they end up doing a sling-shot effect? It's been too long since I've seen that episode.

If so, that makes it thrice the Enterprise did the Slingshot Effect, that we know of.

In my head I'm calling that episode the slingshot effect. The Enterprise approached the Psi 2000 home star at high warp and then was suddenly flung back in time three days to relive that period all over again. Sounds like the slingshot maneuver to me.

TOS Time Travel Instances:

1. The controlled implosion formula used in orbit of Psi 2000 "The Naked Time"
2. Slingshot Effect 2x (once around a "Black Star" and once around Sol) "Tomorrow is Yesterday"
3. Guardian of Forever (COTEOF)
4. Off-screen Slingshot Effect "Assignment: Earth"
5. Atavacron Portal "All Our Yesterdays"

So, they did the slingshot at least 3 times (I'd guess certainly 4, as they'd need a return trip in "Assignment: Earth") and then there's the most famous one, with the BoP in TVH.

 

[Yistaan]

So, Picard, Harvey and Prisoner Borg Queen walk into a bar.....



A very good theory I've heard,

Spoiler: so good I am tagging it, RAYOR

that reality is based on who wins the next US Presidential Elections.

Spoiler

Unless Picard is somehow legally changing the law in 2024 to make presidential elections determined by popular vote instead of electoral vote, I don't see how anything he does can be seen as anything other than illegal interference. Heck, there isn't even a way for him to change the law "legally" as he's a citizen of France and the Federation in the future, not an American citizen of 2024.

 

[Vger23]

I've been processing the episode. I don't think it's a real divergent timeline...just a reality Q created, like in Q-pid. So much ridiculousness about that reality. What the hell happened to Earth for them to act that way and still have the main cast exist and manage to meet within a couple days..., especially with 2024 as a point of divergence??

That reality is far barbarous even by our standards...especially considering what's going on right now.

If you believe in the idea of multiple / infinite parallel universes, here's the question to really bake your noodle:

Does it matter whether or not it's a Q-created thing or a real alternate timeline?

 

[Yistaan]

If you believe in the idea of multiple / infinite parallel universes, here's the question to really bake your noodle:

Does it matter whether or not it's a Q-created thing or a real alternate timeline?

Picard: Elnor, kill as many people as you want, knock yourself out. Once we change the timeline, none of this will have ever happened anyway.

For what it's worth, in X-Men comic books Bishop killed whole countries of people under the belief that since he'll ultimately change the timeline, his actions aren't horrific.

The X-Men didn't let him slide for that at first and treated him as an enemy... except when the timeline was ultimately changed they let him back anyway...

 

[Kilana2]

That Picard bitch slap shocked me. They were so good in that scene.

I guess Q enjoyed it to punch `Mon Capitaine´. After being punched by Sisko all those years back on DS9 he had to strike back.

 

[Yistaan]

I guess Q enjoyed it to punch `Mon Capitaine´. After being punched by Sisko all those years back on DS9 he had to strike back.

I'm seeing complaints already that Picard shouldn't have bled because he's a synth.

 

[Tuskin38]

A very good theory I've heard,

I doubt it, because this is still 2024 Trek Earth, not our Earth.

As far as I know we're not currently planning manned missions to Europa, or have Sanctuary Districts in almost every major US City (though it is 2 years from now, who knows)

Though I guess it could be a Fictional election.

Why trust the Borg Queen?

Because she wants her collective back. That is why she is even working with them.

 

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[Lord Garth]

I doubt it, because this is still 2024 Trek Earth, not our Earth.

As far as I know we're not currently planning manned missions to Europa, or have Sanctuary Districts in almost every major US City (though it is 2 years from now, who knows)

Though I guess it could be a Fictional election.


Because she wants her collective back. That is why she is even working with them.

I think they'll find a way to make a hybrid between Our Earth and Star Trek Earth.

The only part I don't like about that is the Santuary Districts and High Unemployment Rate happen under Biden in a Hybrid Version. Ugh. I really don't like that, but it's not Star Trek's fault.

As for the 2024 material, I'm sure we'll be in the thick of some sort of conflict with Russia in the real 2024 (I hope not, but the way it looks right now... ). As long as PIC Season 2 doesn't focus on the Russian angle, hopefully it won't become dated almost immediately. That's the one Achille's Heel.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I really enjoyed that, better than episode 1 of the season. It's Trump isn't it? They're going back to 2024 to ensure he doesn't get re-elected.

AND THEY USED A BADGE AS A NINJA STAR FUCKING SHITBALLS IVE WANTED TO SEE THAT SINCE I WAS 9 YEARS OLD OYDYPFPG8G0D9UC0CCO O PPN,PBN, C

 

[Amaris]

I'm seeing complaints already that Picard shouldn't have bled because he's a synth.

He's organic, though, right? The idea is that without specialized equipment, you can't tell the difference between humans and organic synths, which is how Soji remained undetected for so long.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I'm seeing complaints already that Picard shouldn't have bled because he's a synth.

Picard may be a synth, but he's a human synth. They are physically indistinguishable from a normal human being. And certainly they can bleed.

I mean, Soji and Dahj could bleed, couldn't they?

Does it matter whether or not it's a Q-created thing or a real alternate timeline?

No reason why it can't be both.

In an infinite multiverse, logically there must be a universe with a Confederation of Earth exactly like this episode shows. So even if THIS is an illusion perpetrated by Q, there's a universe out there where it isn't.