Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x11 - "Rosetta"

[Lord Garth]

I'm sorry... We have a DMA that is wiping out entire planets and is now enroute to Earth, Ni'Var etc and can destroy those planets within HOURS... But here we have our crew talking about how bad their youth was and drinking tea and having conversations that they're feeling not quite right. It's ABSURD.

A couple of quick points, then I'm done. Sorry for the lateness of the reply.

I remember during 9/11, despite everything going on, somehow there were some people still going on either about their nonsense or whatever else that wasn't nonsense that was going on in their life. Sure everyone watched the news, and everyone talked about the news, but somehow people still managed to talk about their lives. Because it's human nature to not fixate on one thing 24/7.

I wasn't around during the 1960s, but Mad Men also showed during things like the JFK Assassination and the Cuban Mission Crisis, people still either had to or couldn't help going on about things in their lives. Something about that rings true.

That's one thing. The other thing is, maybe it's possible I'm misremembering due to the time I'm watching these episodes -- basically overnight as soon as they drop -- but I was under the impression that 10C attacking Earth and Ni'Var was days away, not hours. I could be wrong about this, but I thought it was days. If it's days, and the episodes aren't actually spanning days then, for the purposes of the episodes in question, it's in the background.

As far as "me, me, me", have you seen the current generation? Have you looked at Facebook statuses? "Me, me, me" is more believeable than you think. Please note I'm not endorsing this mentality, just saying what it is.

Finally, the pacing. I'm not bothered by the pacing. I've said before on here that Blade Runner (the first one) is my favorite movie. And anyone who's ever posted here knows I'm a fan of TMP and always have been. Plus my favorite current show is Better Call Saul (not a knock on current Star Trek, which obviously I also like, I just think BCS is better) and that show is also a slow-burn. So I understand that's an issue for some, but it's not an issue for me.

 

[1001001]

I like how they start the episode with a 5 minute discussion about what a hurry they’re in…



Reno was great as always.

6

 

[fireproof78]

As far as "me, me, me", have you seen the current generation? Have you looked at Facebook statuses? "Me, me, me" is more believeable than you think. Please note I'm not endorsing this mentality, just saying what it is.

Sorry, could not resist this reference:

 

[Jack Wolfe]

Note to the DISCO writer's room...

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[fireproof78]

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[XCV330]

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i have come to the conclusion that the producer, directors, and writers Just Didn't Care.

 

[fireproof78]

I have come to the conclusion that they don't care like fans care:

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[Andyliini]

I guess I just like Star Trek. This episode, to me, felt like something from TOS. Captain, XO and the doctor go to an alien planet to survey it. You know, "explore strange new worlds". The mystery of 10-C grown ever closer, and we have now an idea what they were like. I would not be surprised if we found out by the end that they have evolved into being energy-based life forms, again like we saw on TOS. It's clearly entering endgame now, and I can't wait to find out more.

8/10 from me.

 

[XCV330]

I have come to the conclusion that they don't care like fans care:

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I was and am a big fan of seasons one and two, and 3 had good moments. But I feel like they have gotten the wrong feedback on what made those seasons good and left out the rest. Like a cook that hears the paprika was good in the soup and starts using nothing but that in every subsequent dish.

stuff they have given up on
1: pacing. Discovery, if anything, used to be a superbike with no brakes. Sometimes it crashed and threw you but it was thrilling while it held on. Love it or hate it, it was not boring (long T'Kuvma speech and Burnham Sermons notwithstanding) Now they just slowly move a plot forward, removing any sense of urgency so greatly that the viewer almost begins to think they are doing it deliberately, otherwise they have to be incompetent.

2: dialogue. It was never their strongest suit, but they could manage it, even as late as season 3. Dialogue now is mostly speeches, low whispers, monologues. People don't don't actually talk like people in Discovery do

3: plot holes. Star Trek has always excelled in that, but now it is the rule, not the exception. You're just supposed to endure it. After a while one has to ask "Why?"

4: cast problems. This season has had to rest more on Burham's shoulders more than others. I'm not a Burnham hater, nor a lover. Apart from the dialogue problem, she's OK. But as others have said, Tilly is gone. Stamets has changed, and not for the better. Adira just never became interesting. Grey could have been interesting. There was all this build up to know Grey, then .. gone. Book was another interesting character who seems to have an expiration date on him. Reno, very much missed this year and needed to ground the episodes. Vance, just a few snippets now and then. Maybe that's best. It is good to get more of Detmer and Owo. We never saw enough of Bryce that his leaving changes things, much. Nilsson remains unknown and I like that. It's nice to have someone that's just there doing their job without the need of an emotional psychiatric care "c" level plot.

5: the enemy. It's a TV show. Visual medium. Golden Age of Radio is two doors down in the past. We saw maybe 2 seconds of what they can do. Vagueness can be compelling but not 12 episodes worth. So I don't give a shit about 10cc. They were great in the 70's. This reunion sucks. Half of this season could have been replaced with standalone episodes concurrent to the main plot and it would have worked better. But Discovery can't function without a TERRIBLE UNIVERSE THREATENING THREAT.

 

[fireproof78]

People don't don't actually like like people in Discovery do

Not to snip, because I don't have any feedback beyond "It's Star Trek" for me on this one. Except, I speak like Discovery people do. That's the nature of my world. Always have, and always will.

I blame Shakespeare. And Charlton Heston.

Oh, and I give a shit about 10c. I have found Burnham as captain quite uninspired, but other than that the season is an interesting engaging story for me. But, I cannot make it interesting for you. So, IDIC. I recommend moving on.

 

[Mr Awe]

Unless you just straight-up pillaged "beta canon" you can't do that in Trek.

My point with @fireproof78 was that good writing makes a difference--period. And comparing one show with awesome writing to another one with lesser writing makes that point. How they obtained that writing is irrelevant to that point. Just the quality comparison. Fireproof was saying there is no incentive for better writing.

However, I disagree that you need to start with a novel to create high-quality serialized TV show. Good writers can do that themselves without a novel. Sure, they'll need to do more planning, create an outline, etc., but it is doable.

Consider that a novelist doesn't start with an existing product to adapt. Yet, novels exist! Consequently, we know that good writers can create those longer storylines from scratch themselves without outside crutches. Soooo, you just need the good writers.

 

[fireproof78]

Fireproof was saying there is no incentive for better writing.

That misrepresents what I was saying. I was saying that these current writers have no incentive to do better. They get shit no matter what.

 

[XCV330]

So, IDIC. I recommend moving on.

Using IDIC as Kermit's teacup is disingenuous. I'll watch what I like and critique as I like, gatekeepers be damned. I still like discovery, just not a fan of most of this season.

 

[fireproof78]

Using IDIC as Kermit's teacup is disingenuous. I'll watch what I like and critique as I like, gatekeepers be damned. I still like discovery, just not a fan of most of this season.

ETA: Never mind.

 

[Tosk]

I'm still slightly dumbfounded by a recurring element this season. Did someone up high in the writer's room decide that we must have one of the featured players spill some minor backstory at crucial moments during time-sensitive endeavors?

I actually liked the episode but it was very "Hurry up and wait!" in terms of how it handled the time-crunch.

And I'm just gonna ignore how ludicrous it is to have a spacesuit that can't keep out particles that haven't been encountered before.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

it was very "Hurry up and wait!"

Pretty much describes this entire season.

 

[Cyrus]

I really liked this episode.

Any episode that has a landing party going to a strange new planet is always good, pure Star Trek.

And I always love to see them wear EV suits, which surprisingly is rare on Star Trek. I loved Voyager's Demon episode, which was mostly disliked on this bbs, mainly due to a landing party with EV suits visiting a strange alien planet with fantastic visual effects. Same with this episode

Loved seeing visuals of Ringworld (Dyson ring) at the beginning of the episode.

 

[Visitor1982]

A couple of quick points, then I'm done. Sorry for the lateness of the reply.

I remember during 9/11, despite everything going, somehow there were some people still going on either about their nonsense or whatever else that wasn't nonsense that was going on in their life. Sure everyone watched the news, and everyone talked about the news, but somehow people still managed to talk about their lives. Because it's human nature to not fixate on one thing 24/7.

I wasn't around during the 1960s, but Mad Men also showed during things like the JFK Assassination and the Cuban Mission Crisis, people still either had to or couldn't help going on about things in their lives. Something about that rings true.

That's one thing. The other thing is, maybe it's possible I'm misremembering due to the time I'm watching these episodes -- basically overnight as soon as they drop -- but I was under the impression that 10C attacking Earth and Ni'Var was days away, not hours. I could be wrong about this, but I thought it was days. If it's days, and the episodes aren't actually spanning days then, for the purposes of the episodes in question, it's in the background.

As far as "me, me, me", have you seen the current generation? Have you looked at Facebook statuses? "Me, me, me" is more believeable than you think. Please note I'm not endorsing this mentality, just saying what it is.

Finally, the pacing. I'm not bothered by the pacing. I've said before on here that Blade Runner (the first one) is my favorite movie. And anyone who's ever posted here knows I'm a fan of TMP and always have been. Plus my favorite current show is Better Call Saul (not a knock on current Star Trek, which obviously I also like, I just think BCS is better) and that show is also a slow-burn. So I understand that's an issue for some, but it's not an issue for me.

But we're not talking about ordinary people here. We're talking about people in Starfleet, a military organisation. It all seems so unprofessional, the way some of them behave, needing a shrink every ten minutes, whilst in the midst of a galaxy threatening device. For me, the show loses its urgency and if the characters don't care about Earth being destroyed and they'd rather drink tea and talk about their feelings, then why should I care about the threat?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Loved seeing visuals of Ringworld (Dyson ring) at the beginning of the episode.

Odd that they didn't explore those too... like thousands of times the landmass of any planet. The whole thing is pure technology...

Hopefully they're saving it for next episode and it wasn't just a throwaway visual.

Oh who am I kidding? We'll never see or hear about it again.