No, it's not. But apparently the point just totally went over your head!
Great writing makes a difference.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x11 - "Rosetta"
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Great writing makes a difference.
Great writing does make a difference. But, again, how do we adjust that now?
That's more my question. This isn't the Expanse so I won't treat it like the Expanse. As another poster noted DSC doesn't have the benefit of the Expanse's prewritten books. So how do we adapt this for Discovery? If we want positive changes in the writing what is the path forward?
I don't know the answer. I'm not the showrunner. But it seems like the current batch don't know either!
But, it's absolutely fair to compare to a show that has good writing to highlight the difference. That's the comparison I'm making.
I suppose I will continue to semi-enjoy Discovery. Seasons three and four have not been my favorite despite having strong starts. They've both been squandered as the seasons progressed.
That's why we can figure it out. If this board is that convinced of the writers' ineptitude (it is fairly repeated term here in these parts) then why not come up with alternatives? Seriously. We waggled our tongues (fingers?) on this board like we know what we are doing, and damn the writers for not thinking like us. Well, let's be proactive in our solution making rather than destructive!
I guess that's fair.
But, I don't want just flaws pointed out. I like to discuss possibilities.
I don't care to discuss just flaws. That's boring as sin, and been going on way longer than I care to recall in my fandom journey.
I liked this episode a lot. Making it like Devil In The Dark but with gas giant tentacle creatures. I just wish they got around to this faster. This should have been episode 5, not 11.
Also, I want to see a story where the Emerald Chain tries to sell the chemical that makes you feel loved and safe as a drug.
Yes. Tighter story telling, less filler!
The plant life reminded me of gigantic floating versions of Phylosian from TAS.
they could totally have someone to write a coherent storyline plan and stick to that as much as possible. Like Babylon V did many years ago.
nobody does. You are exaggerating, as usual.
nope. It just needs to be used well.
Nope. In Star Trek they use plenty of advanced technology in their everyday lives. On occasion something goes wrong, sure, but we have plenty of car accidents today as well, for example, yet cars are not necessarily evil.
Excuse me. I apologize.
It was called the ultimate weapon.
I truly don't think it can at this point. At least, not on Discovery, or in Star Trek, by and large. Others no doubt feel differently, and that's cool too. I love The Voyage Home and "All Our Yesterdays." I just don't want any more time travel stories going forward.
*sighs* Sorry. The Neural Neuralizer is burned in to my brain.
No, not all technology is evil. Obviously, but clearly it has to be said. But, I do not trust all technology. It has to be proven first. And Star Trek has not proven that mind reading tech is always useful, and rarely good, and a lot of times abused.
Didn’t read the entire thread.
It occurred to me that the Romulan Ni‘Var in particular must be losing their minds right now.
I suspect their cultural memory is long enough to still feel the trauma from the loss of their homeworld.
And it‘s about to happen again.
Getting displaced for the third time, really.
They are fast becoming the most unlucky folk in the Milky Way.
It occurred to me that the Romulan Ni‘Var in particular must be losing their minds right now.
I suspect their cultural memory is long enough to still feel the trauma from the loss of their homeworld.
And it‘s about to happen again.
Getting displaced for the third time, really.
They are fast becoming the most unlucky folk in the Milky Way.
A better-developed "series bible" would certainly help. I think much of the issue with Discovery is because Fuller was forced out (probably for good reason) so early the planning he did was mostly pulped, meaning there have been four straight seasons of winging it.
Which actually gets to another issue. You can do without having a book if you have a showrunner who has a plan from day 1 and stays with the series from start to finish. This is less common in genre shows, but things like Mad Men and Breaking Bad are good examples. Babylon 5 would probably be the closest for SF (though it had big pacing issues in the 1st and 5th seasons. But I do think the "revolving showrunners" have also hurt the show. It's certainly developed a coherent theme now, but IMHO they never would have approached someone like Michelle Paradise who had a show pitch like this on day 1 - she was just the person who finally righted the ship. '
Unless you just straight-up pillaged "beta canon" you can't do that in Trek. Wouldn't work for Discovery as well as say something like Picard though, just because there's so much less actually written for these characters.
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Oh...and Steve Shives (who likes Discovery) makes some great points here regarding the failures of Discovery's serialized arcs:
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Yes, and it shows. And they have changed too much.
that’s not “holy grail item of storytelling to be used willy nilly”. Come on!
And it’s called ultimate weapon for a very good reason: if you have it and your enemies don’t know how to deal with it you can just erase your enemies from ever having existed. Sounds pretty ultimate to me.
Well, discovery tried and mostly failed to do anything interesting with it. Now both Prodigy and Picard are using time travel, we’ll see how well.
it has been used to write some of the most loved hours of television in sf history.
And a terrible writing device. Should be ignored.
Cool. I'm not in love with it. Mileage, etc.
Steve's not wrong.
yahwn. “Mileage”.
Yup.
Disco spaghettification!
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