Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[cooleddie74]

And to be fair if we were worried about the audience getting lost or confused Discovery's set lighting and murky cinematography would have been a lot better from the start. I don't need to see nor know what every button does but I'd like to SEE most of them and with ease.

 

[fireproof78]

What BS? Everything... EVERYTHING... in Trek is BS. The technology, the science, they wing it every single week that they are making an episode. A baby made from two people one with iron based blood, the other copper, is totally BS. The transporter is BS. The warp drive is BS.

If you don't like bullshit, then Trek simply isn't for you.

It probably isn't.

And to be fair if we were worried about the audience getting lost or confused Discovery's set lighting and murky cinematography would have been a lot better from the start. I don't need to see nor know what every button does but I'd like to SEE most of them and with ease.

Sighs...it's not knowing every button. It's having a basic understanding.

Geez. It's Friday. Clearly I cannot communicate today.

 

[BillJ]

And to be fair if we were worried about the audience getting lost or confused Discovery's set lighting and murky cinematography would have been a lot better from the start. I don't need to see nor know what every button does but I'd like to SEE most of them and with ease.

I just don't get it. Magic technology is super cool, aliens cross breeding is great, a machine that takes one apart at the quantum level shoots the data across the universe and puts one back together without even a receiving station is great, a screen using light patterns to relay information (one of the few "real" things that Trek used) is just too fucking far and the audience won't get it.

 

[cooleddie74]

I have a basic understanding.

It's future tech. Chairs. Consoles. Navigation systems. Weapons. You press controls like you do in real life in the modern world and things happen. It's a combination of practical experience with how things work in the real world when you hit a button and fantasy. Unless Starfleet ships start turning into a floating hologram run on neural interfaces we can't see then I don't think we have much to worry about.

 

[BillJ]

Unless Starfleet ships start turning into a floating hologram run on neural interfaces we can't see then I don't think we have much to worry about.

Of course we don't have to worry about that, it would take imagination from the writers plus an incredibly dumbed down explanation for the audience to get.

 

[F. King Daniel]

All Enterprises look the same. We've built up such a culture of technical manual bollocks that we forget it's not REALLY evolutions of in-universe technology, but artists reinterpreting designs. That's what happened in TMP. That's what the bridge in STV was. That's what happened in 2009 and did again in 2018. The outfit Pike wears in Disco is probably meant to be the same as he wore in 2009 and 1965. Gold top, black pants, arrowhead and stripe on the wrist.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

No I'm pretty sure it's evolutions of in-universe technology.

 

[BillJ]

No I'm pretty sure it's evolutions of in-universe technology.

What evolution? If one watches Star Trek, there really isn't much of a difference between the 22nd and 32nd century.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Okay I'll take that back. What I really meant, when it comes to the sets and uniforms, is an evolution of in-universe style. And when you're jumping between shows set in the 23rd, 24th and 32nd centuries, you really need those in-universe differences in style to anchor the audience in each era.

Trek always used to treat these differences in style as a feature, not a problem.

 

[fireproof78]

All Enterprises look the same. We've built up such a culture of technical manual bollocks that we forget it's not REALLY evolutions of in-universe technology, but artists reinterpreting designs. That's what happened in TMP. That's what the bridge in STV was. That's what happened in 2009 and did again in 2018. The outfit Pike wears in Disco is probably meant to be the same as he wore in 2009 and 1965. Gold top, black pants, arrowhead and stripe on the wrist.

Yup. There is not substantial difference save for out it is employed and how it appears. TOS doesn't feel as futuristic as maybe TNG, but the general outcome is the same.

I just don't get it. Magic technology is super cool, aliens cross breeding is great, a machine that takes one apart at the quantum level shoots the data across the universe and puts one back together without even a receiving station is great, a screen using light patterns to relay information (one of the few "real" things that Trek used) is just too fucking far and the audience won't get it.

It's just one piece too far for me.

 

[The Wormhole]

I don't know, maybe I'm just getting old or apathetic? In my younger days, seeing a redesigned Enterprise or a reimagined 23rd century design aesthetic probably would have triggered me into writing entire walls of text here going on about how utterly wrong it is and that it's a betrayal of the Spirit of Star Trek or something. Hell, I'd have done that as recently as five to ten years ago. Now I accept it as inevitable. Continuity and Canon are malleable concepts and every show, property and franchise, Star Trek or otherwise will make errors and contradictions or even rewrite themselves at some point. You can either get worked up about it and claim the producers are hedonistic fools who care more about the grapes their man-servants are dropping in their mouths than they do in the integrity of their work, or you can shrug it off and continue enjoying the show on its own merits and to hell with continuity, canon, and other internet argument buzzwords.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't know, maybe I'm just getting old or apathetic? In my younger days, seeing a redesigned Enterprise or a reimagined 23rd century design aesthetic probably would have triggered me into writing entire walls of text here going on about how utterly wrong it is and that it's a betrayal of the Spirit of Star Trek or something. Hell, I'd have done that as recently as five to ten years ago. Now I accept it as inevitable. Continuity and Canon are malleable concepts and every show, property and franchise, Star Trek or otherwise will make errors and contradictions or even rewrite themselves at some point. You can either get worked up about it and claim the producers are hedonistic fools who care more about the grapes their man-servants are dropping in their mouths than they do in the integrity of their work, or you can shrug it off and continue enjoying the show on its own merits and to hell with continuity, canon, and other internet argument buzzwords.

Honestly, I just look at it as artistic interpretation. People treat CBS and the production as soulless vampires who are just sucking out of Trek all that they can with no regard for the history. I find that insulting. Artistic interpretation is just as valid as any past Trek.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

For me seeing the Enterprise reinterpreted is like seeing a 1940s Spitfire reinterpreted for the 21st century. Or a banana reinterpreted for the 21st century. I want to see it in more detail not less accuracy!

 

[thribs]

I would tone down the colours of the nacelles. Looks too TNG like being that bright.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, a banana is a real world thing and a Spitfire is a historical plane. The Enterprise is fictional. It's real history is mutable.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Yeah, but TV series like Star Trek go to a lot of effort and expense to convince you that everything that you're seeing actually is real and you're encouraged to play along and willingly suspend your disbelief. The Enterprise absolutely is real, at least during the hour or so that I'm watching TV, and its general appearance has been established.

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, but TV series like Star Trek go to a lot of effort and expense to convince you that everything that you're seeing actually is real and you're encouraged to play along and willingly suspend your disbelief. The Enterprise absolutely is real, at least during the hour or so that I'm watching TV, and its general appearance has been established.

It's general appearance is what is presented.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

The Strange New Worlds Enterprise looks like the toy your parents got you because it was cheaper than the proper one and they couldn't tell the difference.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Understanding it from afar is an important facet of conveying sophistication of technology.

Technology 200-400 years more sophisticated than ours should be as incomprehensible to us as an iPhone would be to George Washington.

 

[Mudd]

If the Discoprise had been better than a kludge I wouldn't complain. I like the JJprise, I don't dislike things being revised as time passes.