Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[BillJ]

Everything shown in the FF and Enyclopedia is canon, since they use pictures and information from the canon shows.

No, it is not. Gene Roddenberry is not Robert April. Many things are simply there to flesh out the material.

 

[BillJ]

Having a brand new series follow up after the TNG era with the occasional reference to Picard and Janeway...

We really don't know that. Because the 24th century shows had a bit of a renaissance on various streaming platforms. Nostalgia is a powerful thing and not just where TOS is involved.

 

[SJGardner]

We really don't know that. Because the 24th century shows had a bit of a renaissance on various streaming platforms. Nostalgia is a powerful thing and not just where TOS is involved.

I suppose you have a point there. Other than a few vague hints about DS9 getting popular on Netflix, I haven't followed their rise in popularity in streaming, so I defaulted to my experience of people who know nothing about TNG using Picard facepalms and "WTF is this" memes as reaction images.

Although a studio might still think in buzzwords and believe the most valuable part of the IP is what a media executive without an extensive knowledge of the franchise would remember first.

 

[Lord Garth]

After five years, I thought we were all passed this. Everyone knows where each other stands, so what's really the point of arguing about this? Besides just for the sake of it.

I have TOS on DVD. And it's available on streaming. It's not going anywhere. SNW will do whatever SNW will do and I'll like it or dislike it on its own merits.

 

[BillJ]

After five years, I thought we were all passed this. Everyone knows where each other stands, so what's really the point of arguing about this? Besides just for the sake of it.

Is there more pressing matters we need to be discussing?

 

[Lord Garth]

Is there more pressing matters we need to be discussing?

No, but I don't see what can be said now that wasn't said back in 2019. It's just wheel-spinning.

 

[BillJ]

It's just wheel-spinning.

It is mine and others time to wheel-spin. Do you want people judging how you spend your time and what you say?

 

[Lord Garth]

It is mine and others time to wheel-spin. Do you want people judging how you spend your time and what you say?

That ship has sailed.

 

[BillJ]

That ship has sailed.

Somebody has pissed on your parade, now you wanna make sure you piss on other people's parades?

 

[fireproof78]

No, but I don't see what can be said now that wasn't said back in 2019. It's just wheel-spinning.

It is, but that's largely due to the fact that what happened in 2019 (and 2009 and so on) hasn't changed a whole heck of a lot. It brings up the same old ire that people feel about the shows, largely because the emotions haven't really changed. People are not wanting to change.

 

[ChallengerHK]

I have TOS on DVD. And it's available on streaming. It's not going anywhere.

Here's the problem with that line of reasoning. Eventually, DVDs will be a dead format. Will CBSMount/Disney continue to remaster TOS on whatever is two formats down the road? 4 formats? Will they remaster the original film, or will they use the CGI versions.
Trust me, there will be a day when they'll say that Kirk was always a gay, blue Gorn.

SNW will do whatever SNW will do and I'll like it or dislike it on its own merits.

If they wanted us to judge a show on its own merits, they wouldn't call it Star Trek: blah blah blah. They call it Star Trek to draw that comparison. They just don't want the negative ramifications that the comparisons entail when the producers have failed.

 

[fireproof78]

I refuse to compare Star Trek show to Star Trek show. Otherwise, they all fail compared to TOS.

Will CBSMount/Disney continue to remaster TOS on whatever is two formats down the road

Yes.

 

[Lord Garth]

If they wanted us to judge a show on its own merits, they wouldn't call it Star Trek: blah blah blah. They call it Star Trek to draw that comparison. They just don't want the negative ramifications that the comparisons entail when the producers have failed.

I'll put it more simply: SNW has zero effect on how I view TOS. DSC's first two seasons had zero effect on how I view TOS.

What "they" want isn't going to change how I think. I think for myself. If what I think aligns with what they think, then great. If not, then oh well.

 

[Tuskin38]

Trust me, there will be a day when they'll say that Kirk was always a gay, blue Gorn.

Oh buzz off. That will not happen, or anything like it.

Will they remaster the original film, or will they use the CGI versions.

Well TOS-R did both.. I think?

I know you had the option to watch with the original FX.

And another counter-point. New TOS novel are still written based on the series, have covers featuring the original actors and original Enterprise. Sure, they're not canon, but authors are required by CBS not to contradict (current) canon and I assume that also goes for the covers.

 

[coryjosb]

So many wild discussions going on in this thread. I can't tell whether a trailer would make things a bit friendlier or just push everybody further to the edge.

Trust me, there will be a day when they'll say that Kirk was always a gay, blue Gorn.

This is peak "PC gone mad" nonsense, but I think you've struck gold.

Star Trek pretends to be ""progressive"" and ""inclusive"" but we've yet to get a proper non-human captain in live action. What a statement it would be if they turn the most recognisable Captain into an alien species like the Gorn.

Of course making him gay and a Gorn would be going too far though. He has to be recognisable as Kirk after all.

 

[cooleddie74]

 

[fireproof78]

Seconded.

 

[NCC-73515]

That's not how canon works. By that logic, Memory Alpha is canon, even though it's literally fanmade. Hell, the posts where I'm explaining various in-universe tidbits are canon with the exception of whatever conclusions I'm drawing from them. Using, reformulating and restating canon information doesn't make your product canon, just like how the Unofficial Holy Bible for Minecrafters is not an accepted part of the canon of the Roman Catholic Church, despite being a literal Bible. Only the Church could decree it to be canon, just like how it's the prerogative of ViacomCBS to decide what Star Trek's canon includes and what it doesn't.


If Trelane really did see 900 years into the past, he should've seen and reproduced things from the Hundred Year's War. You don't exactly need to be a history buff to know that the middle ages and the Napoleonic era didn't exactly look the same.

EDIT:

I'm a Star Trek fan. I would've watched the series either way, even though I prefer an update. I didn't have a problem with it looking the same in Trials and Tribble-ations and In the Mirror, Darkly. But the wider audience, including casual viewers, and new fans who came after 2009 or even started out with Discovery, would find retro visuals jarring unless retro is their thing. And of course they went for the TOS era when restarting the franchise after more than a decade of a break, Kelvinverse notwithstanding, and even that used the same reasoning. When most people hear the words 'Star Trek', they're thinking of Spock and his pointy ears, the Enterprise, and maybe Captain Kirk. Having a brand new series follow up after the TNG era with the occasional reference to Picard and Janeway just wouldn't have brought in the viewership numbers Discovery's TOS references did, that ultimately allowed the studio to begin branching out once more.

read what I wrote. if the book shows a picture from the shows or movies, which are canonical, then that picture they show is canonical, because it is taken from canonical sources. Logical or not?

again, trelane was a child trickster entity with flaws. or not?

other continuations in sci-fi work with retro looks. if it's all about the story and the characters, retro looks don't affect either. are straight pylons and a longer neck actually retro? :b

 

[fireproof78]

Ask Roddenberry.

 

[cooleddie74]