Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x03 - "Choose to Live"

[BK613]

I think the resolution of Gray happened too quickly. Given that they established an old holoprogram recognizing Gray in S3, I expected that Gray would have had holo-visibility throughout the ship from the beginning if the current season. Could have even had them be an invisible asset on an away team and create some tension when that asset has an opportunity for a physical body later on.


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Edit to add: I think it is pretty low hanging fruit to argue that criticism of something new is just because it is new. It too easily allows for the summary dismissing of criticism without a valid response. YMMV

 

[jackoverfull]

I think the resolution of Gray happened too quickly. Given that they established an old holoprogram recognizing Gray in S3, I expected that Gray would have had holo-visibility throughout the ship from the beginning if the current season. Could have even had them be an invisible asset on an away team and create some tension when that asset has an opportunity for a physical body later on.

could have been interesting. Hopefully the current resolution was done to allow for interesting things with the characters and not only to get to a resolution.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

I remember non-stop complaining about everything

The Defiant caused a war amongst my friends at the time as did Voyager's now forgotten s-foils nacelles.
DS9 I have to admit I went nuts over because "Star Trek is about ships not stations"

 

[fireproof78]

The Defiant caused a war amongst my friends at the time as did Voyager's now forgotten s-foils nacelles.
DS9 I have to admit I went nuts over because "Star Trek is about ships not stations"

Y'all have very odd friends.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Y'all have very odd friends.

Do all of your friends agree totally with everything you say about Star Trek ?
seems boring if so

 

[Agony_Boothb]

"Star Trek is about ships not stations"

Star trek is about neither of those things.

 

[jackoverfull]

Y'all have very odd friends.

I feel that discovery season 3 was a great improvement , the director of my fan film feels that it was terrible and is a big fan of the first season in particular, which I felt was mostly terrible. People can have different opinions and still enjoy each other’s company and input.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Star trek is about neither of those things.

I know that now and DS9 became my favourite. But as a stupid kid I didn't understand what DS9 was doing.

 

[fireproof78]

I feel that discovery season 3 was a great improvement , the director of my fan film feels that it was terrible and is a big fan of the first season in particular, which I felt was mostly terrible. People can have different opinions and still enjoy each other’s company and input.

I never said otherwise. I never object to criticism if it is presented with an overall love of the show itself. My friends mocked me for liking TOS. We still costumed and conventioned and the like. We could find shared love and work to integrate discontinuities in our view of Trek as a whole.

Online it feels mean, driven by hatred and passionate disgust of Abrams, or Kurtzman or CBS or whomever. It's not loving.

 

[fireproof78]

Do all of your friends agree totally with everything you say about Star Trek ?
seems boring if so

Hahaha...no.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I never said otherwise. I never object to criticism if it is presented with an overall love of the show itself. My friends mocked me for liking TOS. We still costumed and conventioned and the like. We could find shared love and work to integrate discontinuities in our view of Trek as a whole.

Online it feels mean, driven by hatred and passionate disgust of Abrams, or Kurtzman or CBS or whomever. It's not loving.

It is love, it's like Pro Wrestling: you either want to be loved & cheered by the fans as a Face, or boo-ed as a Heel.

The thing you don't want is to get: "No reaction", be ignored, or get dead silence from the audience reaction.

 

[fireproof78]

It is love, it's like Pro Wrestling: you either want to be loved & cheered by the fans as a Face, or boo-ed as a Heel.

The thing you don't want is to get: "No reaction", be ignored, or get dead silence from the audience reaction.

I don't understand but I will take your word for it.

 

[SJGardner]

Online it feels mean, driven by hatred and passionate disgust of Abrams, or Kurtzman or CBS or whomever. It's not loving.

Exactly, and this is one of the most important reasons I just can't equate criticism of post-2009 Trek with that of the Berman-era.

While it's true that mostly the same things get criticized, I can't help but notice a tendency of it being more along the lines of light-hearted jabs in the case of the older series that usually lampoon bad things in otherwise good episodes that people seemed to genuinely enjoy. With anything after 2009 however, the critiques I see are often downright mean-spirited, and more often than not, the gist is that they are being presented as legitimate reasons for the scene, character, episode or entire series in question being of objectively low quality. With the older Trek, stupid is part of the charm, we laugh at it and we enjoy it. With new Trek, stupid is annoying, it detracts from the experience, and is part of the reason we like it less than older Trek.

The Enterprise-D shooting phasers out of its torpedo launchers? Funny stupid VFX error that gets laughed at. Discovery launching photon torpedoes from its nacelle tips? Stupid Discovery writers are just a bunch of incompetent hacks who don't understand Star Trek on the most basic level. Warp travel times being inconsistent in the Berman Era? Star Trek staple accepted with a shrug and at most annoyance. The same in Discovery? Disco writers have the collective intelligence level of a single deep-frozen potato chip and should be all fired for not having a basic sense of scale. And so on.

The memes one sees about Sisko always losing his temper, Worf being unfunny and always getting beaten up, Picard being pretentious, Chakotay being a piece of wood and so on, they always come off with the unsaid message of "and we love them that way." But literally. Every. Single. Mention. of characters like Burnham and Tilly on the internet is always about how Burnham is this downright unstable person with every single personality disorder imaginable who goes into puffy-eyed inelegant bawling complete with snot bubbles at the slightest provocation and other than this her entire virtue-signaling personality consists of nothing but being black; Tilly, on the other hand, is literally the most incompetent person to ever have existed who is unimaginably shitty at literally everything she ever does to the point it's a surprise she even survived into adulthood, and that's when they're not actually mocking the appearance of her actress instead.

I'd be more inclined to believe we're lightheartedly mocking the failings of a franchise we love or a series we otherwise enjoy if the incessant, acerbic bashing of every little detail imaginable didn't constitute almost all of the discussion about it.

 

[Go-Captain]

That idea is kind of odd given NiVar with access to Romulan technology is one of the places that should have weathered the Burn just fine.

Given the state of society in the Burn, and sweeping claims, we have to assume singularity based warp cores use dilithium too, something like the setup below.

Whole Article

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

I'd be more inclined to believe we're lightheartedly mocking the failings of a franchise we love or a series we otherwise enjoy if the incessant, acerbic bashing of every little detail imaginable didn't constitute almost all of the discussion about it.

‪‪I agree with everything you wrote so much.

This makes discussion about the show feel impossible. It isn’t about being unable to deal with disagreement, or criticism. ‪‪I welcome criticism of the entertainment I enjoy, and differing opinions can often lead to the best conversations, but pretending that Discovery is uniquely guilty of logical inconsistencies or deviations from established canon isn’t a matter of opinion, it’s demonstrably patently false, and not worth entertaining in every single discussion about every episode. That’s not earnest criticism, or joking complaints, it’s just hate dressed up as such.

‪‪‪‪I believe that people have always hated on things, that some of the first fans hated TAS, the films, and TNG, and ‪‪I remember seeing people who loved it all to that point resisting DS9 when it came out. And I saw a lot of disdain for Enterprise when it came out, so I’m sure a lot of that hate given to other shows wasn’t that different from the hate Discovery gets now, but it doesn’t make it a good thing, or an unavoidable fact of life.

And presently they aren’t hated on like they were then, or like Discovery is now. The films, TNG, DS9, and even the initially highly controversial/fan-protested/disavowed for a time by Gene Roddenberry TAS, are now regarded as parts of Star Trek, all the same. They’re part of Trek, after their initial reactions ranged from casual dismissal to contempt. That should be a reason not to dismiss Discovery as objectively poor, or “not real Trek”, simply because it’s new, or not to one’s personal liking, because it’s a already a well-loved part of Trek for many now, and just like those other additions to the franchise, it will only be more accepted as time goes on.

 

[Tuskin38]

Given the state of society in the Burn, and sweeping claims, we have to assume singularity based warp cores use dilithium too, something like the setup below.

Amazing, by Mr. Strenbach himself.

 

[cooleddie74]

Dilithium use all but officially confirmed!

 

[fireproof78]

I'd be more inclined to believe we're lightheartedly mocking the failings of a franchise we love or a series we otherwise enjoy if the incessant, acerbic bashing of every little detail imaginable didn't constitute almost all of the discussion about it.

Indeed. It's hard to feel like this is s friendly fan bull session when have the comments are centered on how far below the mark the show is. If it is meant as loving it is not communicated well.

 

[Fateor]

Given the state of society in the Burn, and sweeping claims, we have to assume singularity based warp cores use dilithium too, something like the setup below.

Whole Article

I like how it says that Dilithium isn't actually needed for the actual power generation part of the reactor thus cementing the idea that they could have just transitioned to using them instead of matter/anti-matter reactors that require Dilithium to generate power at all.

 

[Go-Captain]

I like how it says that Dilithium isn't actually needed for the actual power generation part of the reactor thus cementing the idea that they could have just transitioned to using them instead of matter/anti-matter reactors that require Dilithium to generate power at all.

Though it’s weird dilithium is part of the energy converter, which puts dilithium more into the realm of real life lithium. It’s just a way to harvest energy and perhaps convert it for distribution.