Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x03 - "Choose to Live"

[Lakenheath 72]

For myself, I want well written scripts with strong characterization. I like Lower Decks and Prodigy. I didn't feel that Picard in its first season was that well-written and that Discovery was hit-and-miss. I loved the last episode, regardless of its plot holes. If I am invested in the characters, care about them, I can forgive and forget the occasional plot holes.

I find TOS to be at times unwatchable because of the sexism in the show. And I don't miss the romance of the week episodes, which were some of the most boring ever written and I don't miss the moments when a character rises to a new level only to be slapped down hard again.

I have come to expect after decades of watching Star Trek to believe that when a character does this, something bad is just waiting for them around the corner. I was waiting for the other shoe to drop so to speak after Gray had successfully moved into his new body. Maybe that will come up later this season? Wait and see.

 

[fireproof78]

If I am invested in the characters, care about them, I can forgive and forget the occasional plot holes.

Exactly so. That's how I feel, and all the technobabble and explanations will not make me care more about characters, while investment in the people and the humans of the story makes it far more enjoyable.

 

[jackoverfull]

Since we’re talking about some fans being “unreasonable”, this just happened to me on one of the Star Trek fan films group I was posting in.

Note: we are using the “STD” pike uniforms and that’s the limit of discovery’s influence on our movie, we use those costumes because we like them and because we figure they are instantly recognizable as Star Trek while not looking like pijamas.

Anyway, I guess it took them several weeks to notice the uniforms weren’t the TOS ones (ah!), as they accepted the previous posts with no issue, now they deleted my last two posts and banned me.

I guess that for some people “Star Trek” means using the 60s uniforms and nothing else.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Since we’re talking about some fans being “unreasonable”, this just happened to me on one of the Star Trek fan films group I was posting in.

Note: we are using the “STD” pike uniforms and that’s the limit of discovery’s influence on our movie, we use those costumes because we like them and because we figure they are instantly recognizable as Star Trek while not looking like pijamas.

Anyway, I guess it took them several weeks to notice the uniforms weren’t the TOS ones (ah!), as they accepted the previous posts with no issue, now they deleted my last two posts and banned me.

I guess that for some people “Star Trek” means using the 60s uniforms and nothing else.

If it's fan films, I think it might have to do with CBS | Paramounts rules / guidelines on what is acceptable for Fan films.

Rule/Guideline #4
If the fan production uses commercially-available Star Trek uniforms, accessories, toys and props, these items must be official merchandise and not bootleg items or imitations of such commercially available products.

 

[Pindar]

I liked some of it. This is the first time I have talked and nit-picked through an episode that I can remember.
I had many issues with it.

Why didn't the Qowat Milat try to revive the sleepers if they were at their destination. More annoying was that Burnham made no effort to find out anything about the species before waking them up.

I didn't like the hand waving resurection of Gray, it just happened off screen. Not even a techno-babble explanation.

If it used Trill telepathy or whatever how did it work through a hologram?

Is the symbiont still in Adira? If that had been transplanted that would have made some sense.

The only thing I reaaly liked was Stammets and Booker.

 

[jackoverfull]

If it's fan films, I think it might have to do with CBS | Paramounts rules / guidelines on what is acceptable for Fan films.

Rule/Guideline #4
If the fan production uses commercially-available Star Trek uniforms, accessories, toys and props, these items must be official merchandise and not bootleg items or imitations of such commercially available products.

nope: the admins hate “STD” and won’t allow posts with anything doing with it.

 

[fireproof78]

guess that for some people “Star Trek” means using the 60s uniforms and nothing else.

In fan films I have definitely seen that.

 

[jackoverfull]

In fan films I have definitely seen that.

not all of them, though. For example hidden frontier, to cite a well-known example, started designing their own uniforms after a few seasons and also introduced many non-canonical ship designs.

The much-reviled Axanar also did the same and I think the same might go for Renegades, although I don’t remember it enough.

 

[Mike McDevitt]

I liked some of it. This is the first time I have talked and nit-picked through an episode that I can remember.
I had many issues with it.

Why didn't the Qowat Milat try to revive the sleepers if they were at their destination. More annoying was that Burnham made no effort to find out anything about the species before waking them up.

I didn't like the hand waving resurection of Gray, it just happened off screen. Not even a techno-babble explanation.

If it used Trill telepathy or whatever how did it work through a hologram?

Is the symbiont still in Adira? If that had been transplanted that would have made some sense.

The only thing I reaaly liked was Stammets and Booker.

I also thought they were intending to move the symbiont to the golem body, as I thought it was a physical hardship for a human to serve as a host, although on DS9 it was stated that 93 hours after joining removing the symbiont would be fatal to the host. I think Adira is stuck with the symbiont for better or worse?
Subspace telepathic phone call also struck me as strange- is it a new technology? If that was always possible why send Guardians out to zhian'tara ceremonies in person in the first place?
I appreciated the callback to the zhian'tara at all, where it did seem like Curzon and Odo might have stayed joined forever if they'd wanted to.

 

[fireproof78]

not all of them, though. For example hidden frontier, to cite a well-known example, started designing their own uniforms after a few seasons and also introduced many non-canonical ship designs.

The much-reviled Axanar also did the same and I think the same might go for Renegades, although I don’t remember it enough.

I meant the attitude not type of uniform used.

 

[jackoverfull]

I also thought they were intending to move the symbiont to the golem body, as I thought it was a physical hardship for a human to serve as a host, although on DS9 it was stated that 93 hours after joining removing the symbiont would be fatal to the host. I think Adira is stuck with the symbiont for better or worse?
Subspace telepathic phone

it wasn’t very clear but I don’t think they transferred the symbiont. Great they recognized it as a separate entity by the way, something they never did in s3.

sinde many centuries have passed the medical issues of TNG and DS9 may well no longer apply.

the hologram thing looked odd to me as well, as did the braziers (especially out of the infirmary!)

I meant the attitude not type of uniform used.

ah. But this often lies in some pf the people watching them, not in the ones doing them.

 

[Tuskin38]

as I thought it was a physical hardship for a human to serve as a host

700 years before DSC Season 3 sure. Medical advances.

Not all Trill are able to be bonded (though I think DS9 said it was around 80% of the population that actually could? Just the Symbiosis commission hid the true number to stop a rush for symbiotes) maybe some Humans can bond fine, Riker just couldn't.

I didn't like the hand waving resurection of Gray, it just happened off screen. Not even a techno-babble explanation.

It would have been nice if they had shown the ceremony for the viewers who have never seen DS9 (or for the ones who forgot that episode) instead of just name dropping it.

 

[fireproof78]

ah. But this often lies in some pf the people watching them, not in the ones doing them.

Passionate? No, I think they all have that, just about different points.

 

[Go-Captain]

I also thought they were intending to move the symbiont to the golem body, as I thought it was a physical hardship for a human to serve as a host, although on DS9 it was stated that 93 hours after joining removing the symbiont would be fatal to the host. I think Adira is stuck with the symbiont for better or worse?
Subspace telepathic phone call also struck me as strange- is it a new technology? If that was always possible why send Guardians out to zhian'tara ceremonies in person in the first place?
I appreciated the callback to the zhian'tara at all, where it did seem like Curzon and Odo might have stayed joined forever if they'd wanted to.

I think it unintentionally fits with how the holodeck in season 3 could read minds to create a Grey hologram, as well as do things like change peoples minds. It gave Saru a fear of heights and he could feel his feet flat on the ground, implying more mind alteration or physical alterations. I’m sure all of that is forgotten.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

nope: the admins hate “STD” and won’t allow posts with anything doing with it.

Never made a fan film but I almost would make one where Burnham saves Picard and Archer, slaps Sisco and then pegs Kirk just to annoy clowns like that

 

[Char Kais]

Starfleet expects to get robbed by the space ninja nuns, that's why they put a tracker on the Dilithium.
Why did the commander try to defend the Dilithium with his life instead of just putting up a good fight for show?
Starfleet is not the Empire that sacrifices TIE Pilots for show, or is it?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I confess I was rather disappointed to learn that the ship in the opening scene was named Credence and not Creedence.

"Captain! Sensors detect a bad moon on the rise...."

 

[Yistaan]

Starfleet expects to get robbed by the space ninja nuns, that's why they put a tracker on the Dilithium.
Why did the commander try to defend the Dilithium with his life instead of just putting up a good fight for show?
Starfleet is not the Empire that sacrifices TIE Pilots for show, or is it?

New Trek Starfleet is. They cover up Discovery's existence on threat of treason. They know all along the USS Defiant and everyone on it will die and don't try to stop it. Vance setting up the Starfleet captain to die is par for the course. They probably thought the Starfleet captain wouldn't play the role convincingly if he knew about the tracker. Enforced method acting and all that.

 

[Fateor]

Starfleet expects to get robbed by the space ninja nuns, that's why they put a tracker on the Dilithium.
Why did the commander try to defend the Dilithium with his life instead of just putting up a good fight for show?
Starfleet is not the Empire that sacrifices TIE Pilots for show, or is it?

Yea... That whole plot doesn't make much sense...

If you know there's going to be an attempt to steal something you add more security, you don't just add a tracker and call it a day.

 

[XCV330]

The show needs a major injection of Jet Reno