Unfortunately, that will happen with the changes that occurred with writers and executive producers.
Do you like the Discovery Klingon look?
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Crazy to think that, using the same amount of time since Discovery was first broadcast, had Trek fans been pissed off at how different TMP Klingons looked compared to TOS Klingons that they'd still be complaining about it pretty much by the time The Search For Spock was released.
honestly, without the dialogue and the few (one?) Klingon symbols I don’t think many would have guessed those were in fact Klingons.
why? I loved that line: with a single sentence and clever use of makeup they explained one of the most puzzling TNG makeup choices.
Which is why context in the show is important. If after watching it a person is still confused then I see the issue.
I think most fans would have guessed by the time that first dude finished his opening monologue and sneered the words "We come in peace." If they hadn't seen the publicity photos leading up to the CBS broadcast.
To the latter point, it's not theirs to "explain". It was a TNG~Berman Trek decision to portray them that way. They could embrace it or ignore it.
What, ST just never happened to come across a northern Romulan during the classic seasons, or a southern Romulan during the Berman Trek seasons (and I don't care if I got that backwards)? Is there some ethnic apartheid on Romulus? Sorry, NO. They listened to the fans and went the absurd route, and I shrugged and shook my head.
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No, I’ve watched DIS. And the pew-pew action is commonplace…
“The Vulcan Hello”
“Battle of the Binary Stars”
“Into the Forest I Go”
“What’s Past is Prologue”
“Such Sweet Sorrow”
“That Hope is You, Pts 1 & 2”
“Terra Firma, Pts 1 & 2”
“There is a Tide…”
Even “New Eden” early in S2 involved Pike taking a shot to the chest.
Discovery may be set on a science vessel, but its an action-adventure series. But the writers should still explain it. Even if boils down to the Klingons saying they look this way because of the “Archer flu”, referring back to the ENT S4 episodes.
You listed 10 episodes out of what, 40? That isn't common place at all.
No, they really shouldn't. Leave it up the imagination.
So if DSC season 1 showed green amorphous blobs, but the dialogue states they are Klingons, you’d just automatically accept it without question?
That's not the same as "non-stop pew pew" like you were saying earlier. And of that list, you listed 10 episodes. 10 out of 42 in the first three seasons. The ratio is one in four. It is not "non-stop pew-pew". And in most of the episodes you listed, it's not wall-to-wall.
It's an action-adventure series, but it's not All Action All The Time. You try to make it sound like it's a Transformers movie.
EDITED TO ADD: And I'll take your lack of response to what I said about "Will You Take My Hand?" as a silent agreement or acknowledgement of the points I raised. You're welcome.
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you asked it.
By this reasoning ANYTHING could be passed as Klingons. Fat dudes with coneheads? Klingons. 1 meter tall cyborgs with two heads? Klingons. Five-legged creatures with alopecia problems? Klingons. If it’s in the dialogue they can all be Klingons then?
yes.
why not? We also never saw remans until nemesis (even if Starfleet was very aware of their existence) or aenar until enterprise. What do we know of the political situation of Romulus?
Actually, I listed 11. And I didn’t even mention “Lethe” or “Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad” or “The Butcher’s Knife Cares Not for the Lamb’s Cry” or “Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum” or “Project Daedalus” or “People of Earth” or “Far From Home” or “Scavengers”. Already, 19 episodes, or almost half of the entire series.
I did ask it. I am seeking to understand how people can make sense of the world within the context clues given. We're not talking the changes you are outlying. We are talking a change to make up that can still be identified as "Klingon" through the rest of the dialog and presentation on screen. If we can make it through TMP then I struggle to see how DSC is any different if we can figure out they are Klingons in TMP from ships alone as clues without explanation.
Those examples are straying away from "non-stop pew-pew".
How would you like it if I judged all of ENT Season 3 by the likes of "Zero Hour" or "Azatzi Prime" or -- dare I say it -- "Anomaly"? The truth.
As a hardcore ENT Fan, you're not in a position to criticize DSC for daring to have any action.
And what the Hell does this have to do with the Klingon Look? Apologies to the mods for contributing to this crazy tangent.
And Kurtzman Trek would be forgiven for having the temerity to forget all about Remans even after they acknowledged both Data's death and Blue Skies. (Now whether they ever did in fact mention Remans during their ten episodes of moving people around as though they were playing with their food, I have no recollection)
Want to show more of Romulus, you build it. But believably. Don't waste your world-building in service of pandering to fanon hang-ups over differing aesthetic interpretations over the decades.
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Spock was able to walk around Romulus freely without having a ridge, which seems to imply it wasn't that out of place.
Remans were mentioned off hand in Lower Decks.
For the reason they didn't appear in Picard, I believe Chabon said he wasn't a fan of them or something. He made a joke about them not existing and being a collective hallucination.
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I mean, in the first episode of ENT you have Archer duel wielding (bad ass?) phasers while refusing help from T'Pol. I guess ENT is not stop pew-pew as well?
Hiding in caves on Romulus as I recall. The familiarity of his face would be a problem for him regardless.
I LOVE it. People like Nick Meyer and Michael Chabon get it. I suspect writers that creatively hungry tend to not last long on Kurtzman Trek, unless they have their own thing going such as LDS. They probably walk away from it too polite to say anything about what happened.
Not to get too far off topic, but I think Star Trek NOT being action/adventure-oriented is more the exception than the rule when you look at the franchise in total.
Its a pew-pew and fisticuffs franchise, regardless of how much tea Picard drank while issuing dull monologues.
Its a pew-pew and fisticuffs franchise, regardless of how much tea Picard drank while issuing dull monologues.
Was it not a running gag in the early-2000s that Archer kept getting beat up?
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