7 and Chakotay did anyone see that coming???

[Kegek]

Yes. It was being talked about on and off during the seventh season's initial run. "Human Error" and that episode with her and Chuckles on the planet whose name I've forgot were the eps that prompted these conversations. As I remember it, opinions were divided on whether they had any chemistry at all.

It was discussed, but either way it didn't have a following. When it came to pass; well, the reaction in this forum was like an atom bomb had gone off, especially from J/C and D/7 shippers.

My honest opinion? Well, I loved the Doctor. And I was really touched by "Someone to Watch Over Me", I think that's one of the best romantic episodes they've done in the entire franchise.

But I'd preferred the relationship to remain unrequited; like Quark and Dax (my favourite pairing) and Odo and Kira (it was initially and it worked better that way). The series satisfied me on that end, even if it played the whole thing for laughs in "Renaissance Man".

Never really cared about the other angles. Chakotay bored me, but giving him Seven at least gave him something to do in the finale.

 

[Ro_Laren]

Enrage said:
J/C was never going to happen as long as Voyager was in the Delta Quadrant. It would have been a disservice to Janeway's professionalism because Captains don't get involved with subordinates.

That's right...

I'll take J/C over C/7 any day...

 

[kimc]

It just feels wrong, like Chakotatay took advantage of Seven's innocence when it came to relationships.

It does seem to have "mid-life crisis" written all over it does it? I personally would have liked to have seen Seven play the field a bit as she gained emotional maturity.

 

[poundpuppy29]

They already had a good ship with Tom and B'Lanna why add this made no since

 

[Enrage]

That's right...

I'll take J/C over C/7 any day...

I'm not sure what your point is as I thought that was an unprofessional relationship as well. And they (Picard and Daren) both realized it could not continue as long as he was the Captain and she was a subordinate serving under his command. Being in the Delta Quadrant (i.e. you can't avoid that person if things go South) as well as having to work as CO and XO only compounds that issue.

I think Janeway might have been attracted to Chakotay but realized that it shouldn't and wouldn't happen as long as they were stuck in their situation and that makes her a better character in my opinion. Any Captain's three priorities in order are: the ship and it's mission, the crew, and lastly, the captain. By recognizing that, as Captain, she had to put everyones' interests before hew own, even if doing so meant denying herself a relationship she may have wanted, makes her a stronger and more interesting character. Captain Janeway was supposed to be a professional officer, a sign of how far women have come since TOS, and putting her in a thoroughly unprofessional relationship would have been a terrible idea. That is what I meant by J/C being a disservice to her character.

 

[AuntKate]

^^I think you're right, especially about the captain's priorities. And I think Janeway is, therefore, not only heroic, but someone to feel sorry for. The producers could have kept J/C apart in the DQ while continuing to mine the unresolved tension that often crackled between them. And there is nothing to keep them from getting together once the ship returns home--not even the very fledgling C/7 dating relationship shown in "Endgame."

 

[armyofdaleks]

glad im not the only one who thinks they coulda got together right at the end

 

[freak]

Well, I kinda saw it coming in the ep "Natural Law", even though I didn't want to admit it yet. I always thought he would come back to the captain later on..I think he just gave up on her, which sucks but he couldn't wait around for her forever. And I agree with other posters here..they were the glamour couple. I still wished he hadn't gotten with her though. It really upset me.

 

[armyofdaleks]

{quote=freak;1376173]Well, I kinda saw it coming in the ep "Natural Law", even though I didn't want to admit it yet. I always thought he would come back to the captain later on..I think he just gave up on her, which sucks but he couldn't wait around for her forever. And I agree with other posters here..they were the glamour couple. I still wished he hadn't gotten with her though. It really upset me.[/quote]

I know the feeling

 

[Ro_Laren]

I'm not sure what your point is as I thought that was an unprofessional relationship as well. And they (Picard and Daren) both realized it could not continue as long as he was the Captain and she was a subordinate serving under his command. Being in the Delta Quadrant (i.e. you can't avoid that person if things go South) as well as having to work as CO and XO only compounds that issue.

My point is that you said "Captains don't get involved with subordinates." This obviously isn't the case as Picard got involved with a subordinate. Yes, he decided to end the relationship and Daren left the ship, but the fact still stands that they were a couple (albeit for a short period of time). Picard, Archer and Janeway all pondered (or acted upon) a relationship with someone under their command. All three of them came to the conclusion that it wasn't the best idea. It doesn't seem to be a Starfleet rule, but a personal command decision. Yes, we can all agree that it is a wise decision, but if anyone should be given a little grace it would be Janeway. She was in a unique situation and if she felt that she was mature enough to handle a relationship (and potential breakup) with a subordinate, then she should have been able to pursue it.

 

[freak]

Glad I'm not the only one who was upset by it. But it's over now and I can't change what happened..but I can read fanfiction. That's always good! And can imagine a different ending.

 

[Enrage]

My point is that you said "Captains don't get involved with subordinates." This obviously isn't the case as Picard got involved with a subordinate. Yes, he decided to end the relationship and Daren left the ship, but the fact still stands that they were a couple (albeit for a short period of time). Picard, Archer and Janeway all pondered (or acted upon) a relationship with someone under their command. All three of them came to the conclusion that it wasn't the best idea. It doesn't seem to be a Starfleet rule, but a personal command decision. Yes, we can all agree that it is a wise decision, but if anyone should be given a little grace it would be Janeway. She was in a unique situation and if she felt that she was mature enough to handle a relationship (and potential breakup) with a subordinate, then she should have been able to pursue it.

I think the situation makes it even more imperative that she not get involved a crew member, especially with someone she has to work with on a daily basis. And it is pretty obvious that Janeway came to same decision.

 

[exodus]

Didn't Janeway state in "Fair Haven" that a relationship would be a distraction she couldn't afford? Her focus was first on foremost on getting Voyager home, a relationship would have divided her attention from her main priority. Picard didn't have such impending issues which is why he often accepted Dr. Crusher upfront flirtations.

 

[Good Will Riker]

I generally try to forget the C/7 relationship and tend to fast forward through those scenes. It just feels wrong, like Chakotatay took advantage of Seven's innocence when it came to relationships.

That's what hunks do. And, that's what gorgeous women who let them do it, happen to do.

That's what the facts of life are all about.

I've always thought Seven and the Doctor would be a much more interesting couple.

Well, she wasn't into him. She was never attracted to him, and just considered him "a friend."

He was an annoyingly, smug, bald hologram who thought he was "the God's gift to the universe." He had a much better chance with Denara Pel. But, sadly, that ship had sailed for him.

 

[exodus]

At least Chakotay isn't f*cking Ben Affleck or Matt Damon.

 

[Caprica_Six]

Didn't Janeway state in "Fair Haven" that a relationship would be a distraction she couldn't afford? Her focus was first on foremost on getting Voyager home, a relationship would have divided her attention from her main priority.

Yeah but she said that at the same time she was dating a hologram, so who is she really trying to fool with that statement?

 

[exodus]

Yeah but she said that at the same time she was dating a hologram, so who is she really trying to fool with that statement?

True.

However, did you notice how "obsessive" she became with him?

Between that and calling Chakotay "friend", I think that's about the time he gave up on Janeway.

 

[kimc]

True.
Between that and calling Chakotay "friend", I think that's about the time he gave up on Janeway.

There was still chemistry there up until "Workforce". Personally, I would have liked to have seen the nixed storyline where Chakotay was going to be Janeway's lover on Quarra. That would have made a nice story arc for the two characters as they dealt with the repercussions afterwards and made a decision one way or the other.

 

[exodus]

Forever the hopeless romantic, huh kimc?

I actually saw the chemistry start to fade after that. A woman calling a man a "good friend" is the kiss of death to any chance of persuing a relationship. I can't say I blame him, seven years was too long to wait for Janeway. Plus, I think it was a bit trying for Chakotay to put up with her stubborn nature and dismissal of his ideas for seven years too.

However, I did think it was cold to still leave Janeway an old maid upon returning to Earth.

 

[Good Will Riker]

Forever the hopeless romantic, huh kimc?

I actually saw the chemistry start to fade after that. A woman calling a man a "good friend" is the kiss of death to any chance of persuing a relationship. I can't say I blame him, seven years was too long to wait for Janeway. Plus, I think it was a bit trying for Chakotay to put up with her stubborn nature and dismissal of his ideas for seven years too.

Indeed. "Good friend" is always the kiss of death. There is no turning back. Ever. And, no, she won't hangout with you as "a friend" afterwards, either.

However, I did think it was cold to still leave Janeway an old maid upon returning to Earth.

She was an ambitious Hillary Clinton. The Starfleet admirality meant more to her than some "puppy love" she shared between herself and her former 1st officer.