The American Revolutionary Army would be considered terrorist by today's standards.
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..and for a film series that prides itself on how interconnected it is, a number of major events (or so we are told they were) have little impact beyond said events' film of origin, just to get back to..."Marveling". That has been a significant reason why with few exceptions, the 20+ Marvel movies have felt like random thrill rides and not the "biggest event / big story" idea Disney/Marvel has sold all along.
That lack of consistency would have been fine if the individual films had been treated as their own "titles" and the team films had open and shut plots, but again, that desire to have the "biggest event / big story" led to a flood of forced interaction sans the plot threads to give reason and sense to it all. That's the reason I feel of the next Marvel productions to come, it will be left to the Captain America end (again) to continue to pay real attention to the post-blip effects.
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By the way, I'm absolutely pro-deescalation and I think that police should use guns only as an absolutely last resort, but really, at this point even the most lenient law enforcement out there would have used deadly force against them. Let's imagine that a SWAT member had filled them with bullets as they were about to kill the hostages. I think even the most liberal politician would have said that the use of force was justified.
When the show first dropped, there was an interview with Kari Skogland where she mentioned they avoided gun-focused action scenes because they aren't really the most interesting way to play out a fight between superheroes.
I think the better, more obvious comparison should be Tom Perrotta, the author of The Leftovers which the TV series is based on.
I agree the MCU shouldn't be bogged deeply into all of the nuances, but I also don't want the whole thing swept under the rug. I want to see real, lasting ramifications of the two Snaps and I think the ideas that the Flag Smashers had issues with were interesting enough that I wish the show had dug into them a little deeper. Particularly the notion of borderless countries.
I've been pretty happy with how they've dealt with the ramifications of The Snap and The Blip. The thing to keep in mind is that these are big, spectacle based, comic book action movies and TV shows, so they're not going to go deep into these kinds of thing. They're going to give us a brief overview of the aftermath, just enough to give us the basic idea of what happened, and they're going to show the immediate effect on the heroes, but that's all. I can't see them going any deeper than what we've gotten in the two shows so far, that's just not the kind of stories they tell . So if you're going in looking for a deeper examination of how it effected everyone, you're watching the wrong movies and shows. The MCU is simple escapism, and if you want it to be more than that you are going to be very disappointed.
EDIT: To be completely honest, I hope they don't go any farther with it than they have, I don't really don't want to see the spend to much more time on it. I watch these movies to see my favorite heroes fighting bad guys and kicking ass, not for an examination of how a disaster like The Blip would effect the world. When I want that I'll watch The Leftovers, not Spider-Man: No Way Home, or Dr. Stange and The Multiverse of Madness.
EDIT: To be completely honest, I hope they don't go any farther with it than they have, I don't really don't want to see the spend to much more time on it. I watch these movies to see my favorite heroes fighting bad guys and kicking ass, not for an examination of how a disaster like The Blip would effect the world. When I want that I'll watch The Leftovers, not Spider-Man: No Way Home, or Dr. Stange and The Multiverse of Madness.
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One more followup on my last post. I do like the movies to have some depth in the characters and story, so I'm not looking for totally mindless action, but I also don't want to see them getting bogged down in to many extraneous detail, and at this point it feels like that is exactly what going any deeper into The Blip would be.
So far I've been very happy with the story/character/action combination we've gotten in most of the previous movies. That's why the MCU is one of my all time favorite movie series, the majority of the movies have hit that sweet spot for me, with good characters, a real story, and well done action.
So far I've been very happy with the story/character/action combination we've gotten in most of the previous movies. That's why the MCU is one of my all time favorite movie series, the majority of the movies have hit that sweet spot for me, with good characters, a real story, and well done action.
They didn't shoot anyone who wasn't shooting at them.
That's not what I learned in History of Western Civilization.
Then it would have been wise for TPB at Disney/Marvel to avoid trying to make the "biggest ever"/"biggest disaster" type of story and either not have the will, interest or ability to follow up with what would be an expected series of sub-plots regarding its impact on all mankind. No character / film should be free of the unimaginable weight that billions of returned people would place on the world--and it certainly would not be what was presented in Spider-Man: Far From Home, but what was explored in Captain America and the Winter Soldier--for a start.
Are we talking about the country in general or specifically the events of the Revolutionary War? Big difference there. The British were given the opportunity to peaceably leave if they did so choose to, and when they chose not to, they didn't start slaughtering noncombatants, they shot the soldiers.
And where exactly would you draw the line? I'm sure that every real world terrorist can come up with a good reason for their actions, when they are in fact just left/right/religious fanatics who live in their own crazy world and blame the rest of humanity for their miserabe lives.
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They only introduced The Snap to give us a big shocking cliffhanger ending for Infinity War, and The Blip as a way to give the characters a big heroic moment, and to bring back characters like Dr. Strange, The Falcon, and Spider-Man, I doubt it was ever their intention to go all that deep on it.
Like I've said before, you are clearly looking for the wrong things in these movies and shows, they just aren't the kinds of things that are really going to go that deep into stuff like how The Blip effected things. These are movies and shows about people in brightly colored costumes fighting aliens, robots, and other people in brightly colored costumes, and anything more than that is just extra, and is just there to make us care about the people in brightly colored costumes and why they are fighting aliens, robots, or other people brightly colored costumes. At this point, going deeper into The Blip really isn't going to add that much more to people in brightly colored costumes or the reasons why they are fighting aliens, robots, or other people in brightly colored costumes, so I can't see them wasting their precious screen time on it.
From the way you talk about the MCU productions on here, it sounds like you've never even liked them, and it's clear you are never going to be happy with anything they do, so I'm really starting to think you might be better off just not wasting your time with anything coming from Marvel Studios.
You prefer insurrectionists or treasonous rebels? According to the rules of the day, the British government, via its armed forces, was well within its rights to put down the insurrection (one that never had majority support within the colonies as a whole). And if you think the colonials never engaged in acts that would be defined as terrorism in today’s context, you need to read books published within your lifetime. Oh and a fair number of Loyalists would like a word.
In grade school we did plays to celebrate the Loyalists which depicted our ancestors being tarred and feathered, and left homeless before forced to leave their homes and settle in the North.
I agree to a point, but it was definitely a choice to introduce the five-year gap and leave a lasting mark on the setting. Granted, MCU-world and the real world were already plenty far apart, but I do think there was a creative intent to have the Infinity Saga have a permanent, pervasive impact on the setting instead of just being reset-buttoned. Even if it isn't something that's a premise-maker the way it has been for these past two shows, it'll always be a card they can play from now on, one character asking another, "Where were you during the Blip?"
By the way, I had a similar discussion on a Comic Book forum: you can kill the 98% of superheroes out there with a bullet. They are still alive because the writers say so.
Amen!
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Riiiiggghtt...you can kill Hulk, Vision, Colossus, Thing, Doctor Doom, Iron Man, and Magneto (just to name the ones on that cover) with bullets!By the way, I had a similar discussion on a Comic Book forum: you can kill the 98% of superheroes out there with a bullet. They are still alive because the writers say so.
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