The internet has failed me. I was unable to find a clip or gif of the George Reeves Superman crashing through a wall, Lois telling him he could have used the door and him replying "This seemed a little more spectacular.'....
Can we discuss those pesky "fixed points in time?"
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The internet has failed me. I was unable to find a clip or gif of the George Reeves Superman crashing through a wall, Lois telling him he could have used the door and him replying "This seemed a little more spectacular.'....
Not exactly. The implication was that that he should have been dead, but the Daleks were keeping him alive because they needed him to complete the reality bomb. Davros figured that once the bomb was complete and the Daleks knew it worked, they'd have no reason to prevent his death and keep him alive anymore, meaning he could at last "have peace."
Nobody's mentioned Adric's death. I remember when "Earthshock" was shown, fans (the ones who liked Adric) were angry with the Doctor for not going back to save him. They could have; once the ship's controls were fused so the ship would crash into Earth 65 million years ago, Adric was no longer necessary. It would have taken split-second timing, but it was doable.
Yet the Doctor refused, got angry, and told Tegan and Nyssa never to ask him again to save Adric.
Karma's a bitch: Adric's death haunted the Fifth Doctor, all the way through his regeneration. And rightfully so, in my view.
It's true though he could have saved him, maybe that's why 12 did what he did for Clara.... Now we're stuck with Zombie Clara and her TARDIS.
That would only make sense to people who don't hate Adric. When they did that "Clara is so superduper-fantastic-wonderfully-perfect-that-no-doctor-can-do-without-her" bullshit and inserted her into every single other Doctor's timeline, they put her in Adric's place in Logopolis. There were a ton of other scenes they could have used, but they had to use one with a companion who died while saving Earth, and the actor who played him was a genuine fan of the show ages before he was cast in it.
I got the impression a long time ago that unless a character from the Classic years would really draw an audience (ie. Sarah Jane and K-9), the nuWho showrunners preferred to forget the Classic series ever existed.
The only valid reason I will ever accept for William Russell not being part of at least one episode that took place at Coal Hill School is if he was asked and said no. Yes, he was getting up in years... but even just a voiceover on the school's PA system or a mention that somebody had just talked to Ian Chesterton (or would talk to him sometime later) would have been a nice acknowledgment of the show's roots.
Yes but I hate the idea of Clara and always wish that the Doctor had saved Adric back in the old series, even if it had been a later incarnation. it was totally doable.
Hell he saved Davros from the stupid fucking handmines, which were stupid.
True. I didn't think about a future incarnation going back and saving him. It would have had to be Colin Baker, though, since Matthew Waterhouse wouldn't have looked anything like a teenager anymore. And Colin Baker's Doctor wouldn't have done it, not having a smidgen of sentimentality.
As for saving Davros... ghah. But for continuity's sake he had to, or there wouldn't have been the superb Genesis of the Daleks, my favorite of Tom Baker's first season.
Very true, and that's also the first shot of the time war.
Yeah I don't think we will. He was even in the wheelchair in Genesis wasn't he?
A maker of DAZ based content named "JoeQuick", when he was still sculpting just for fun, made a likeness for me of the John Friedlander mask as worn by Michael Wisher.. I applied it to the intended base figure (Michael 3) and it distort the head to closely resemble the injured and withered Kaled scientist. Then I wondered, "How might it look if I only dialed it to partial strength, say, around 50 percent?" So that's what I did. I applied a more conventional skin texture (which had heavily mapped eyebrows) and I placed a simple brushed back hairstyle. This was years before Capaldi episodes, so I used black (aged to a dark grey) rather than the dirty blonde "kid" Davros had. It was just dumb luck that I gave him piercing blue eyes.
Anyway, this was the result.
Yeah, I went a bit heavy with the "bump maps" and this was rendered with an "engine" that could not calculate things like "subsurface" light scattering upon skin, so it's quite primitive compared to what can be done with more robust tools available today. But it does give us a "glimpse" of how he might have looked before he aged into the twisted caricature we saw in "Genesis of the Daleks".
RTD did write a scene for Journey's End (which I think is the same scene as my previously mentioned Davros wishes for death is from) in which we would have seen a flashback to Davros's early, pre-injury days. It was removed before filming as RTD felt it served on purpose to the narrative and was only written as a means to show Julian Bleach out of prosthetics.
The scripted version of the scene is available in The Writer's Tale.
A maker of DAZ based content named "JoeQuick", when he was still sculpting just for fun, made a likeness for me of the John Friedlander mask as worn by Michael Wisher.. I applied it to the intended base figure (Michael 3) and it distort the head to closely resemble the injured and withered Kaled scientist. Then I wondered, "How might it look if I only dialed it to partial strength, say, around 50 percent?" So that's what I did. I applied a more conventional skin texture (which had heavily mapped eyebrows) and I placed a simple brushed back hairstyle. This was years before Capaldi episodes, so I used black (aged to a dark grey) rather than the dirty blonde "kid" Davros had. It was just dumb luck that I gave him piercing blue eyes.
Anyway, this was the result.
Oh God! That’s PERFECT!
Thanks for the kind assessment! Now, if they had depicted some sort of flashback in "genesis..." itself, odds are we would have seen Michael Wisher himself without makeup and he in almost no way resembles this depiction. Or, if JoeQuick had sculpted the Terry Molloy mask or the Julian Bleach makeup and I used a different base figure, the partial strength "pre injury" morph would have looked different from what we see here. So it's still up to a wide range of interpretation how a younger "pre chair" Davros might look. This is just one of many possibilities.
But, again, I'm pleased you like it!
Just so you can decide for yourself how accurate (or not) it may be, here's JoeQuick's morph at full strength.
It's a bit of "mix'n'match" as it's the "Genesis..." features with the figure sitting in a "Stolen Earth" chair and sporting a custom bionic hand (texture and displacement map).
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A maker of DAZ based content named "JoeQuick", when he was still sculpting just for fun, made a likeness for me of the John Friedlander mask as worn by Michael Wisher.. I applied it to the intended base figure (Michael 3) and it distort the head to closely resemble the injured and withered Kaled scientist. Then I wondered, "How might it look if I only dialed it to partial strength, say, around 50 percent?" So that's what I did. I applied a more conventional skin texture (which had heavily mapped eyebrows) and I placed a simple brushed back hairstyle. This was years before Capaldi episodes, so I used black (aged to a dark grey) rather than the dirty blonde "kid" Davros had. It was just dumb luck that I gave him piercing blue eyes.
Anyway, this was the result.
Yeah, I went a bit heavy with the "bump maps" and this was rendered with an "engine" that could not calculate things like "subsurface" light scattering upon skin, so it's quite primitive compared to what can be done with more robust tools available today. But it does give us a "glimpse" of how he might have looked before he aged into the twisted caricature we saw in "Genesis of the Daleks".
That is excellent, i now what to see Davros before the chair, possible working as a kaled cook in some Skaro resturant, and one day while making some home made soup he mistakenly makes a kaled mutant, and while pondering what to do with it his eyes are drawn to the kaled salt and pepper shakers on one of the tables(EUREKA!) he cries, as he races back into the kitchen but slips on a banana peel and dives head first into one of the deep fat fryers, and with agonizing screams he pulls himself out, but the damage is already done...............i mean this story writes itsef..............well it should. lol
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"Remembrance of the Daleks" indirectly alludes to it, if anything, as the Doctor goes on and on about how they're ruthless but would think twice before making radical alterations to the timeline. But that's a grasp; Daleks knowing there's a fixed point in time somewhere would just create a predestination paradox. Or the Daleks would not try to change such a fixed point because of a far worse outcome... but is such an event truly fixed, among all multiverses and so on? In which case one has to subtract that number of possible events from... infinity.
Pretty much. If there's dialogue that states "everything non-Dalek"... then again, Davros is an insane nutter...
When it comes to Daleks, anything even the teensiest bit non-Dalek is only good for being exterminated, if not for being good disposable thralls before being exterminated. Whether the story was rolling on that assumption or needed to acknowledge that...
But the script tells us all we need to know:
So what will all the Daleks do, if the bomb leaves them intact, float in the middle of absolute nothingness as nekkid tentacled things and chatter? Their casings aren't Dalek, they just house them. But they'd still exist throughout the universe, but be more difficult to get at because nothing's left that's capable of traversing such distances quickly. And I thought the trip to the bathroom could be agonizingly long at times...
So, yeah, Davros is merely insane beyond recognition, with too many cognitive neurons turning to dust.
Maybe they'll all be there floating and engage in Dalek porn (remove their casings first) of course
Really what the Doctor should have done was just take everyone to a different time or planet. As far as the public knows they all died in the explosion and history continues unchanged.
But even then would Adelaide have taken her own life still?
Well if he’d taken them as soon as the Flood was discovered and didn’t make a big deal about how important her death was then probably not.
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